Re: real programmers(TM)

Re: real programmers(TM)

[Aaron M. Ucko]

Brian May <bmay@csse.monash.edu.au> writes:

> cat > a.out

Bah, that's for wimps.

        cat /dev/audio > a.out

and whistle into the microphone. ;-)

> (then again, not sure what adb is...)

A traditional Unix debugger, still found on Solaris and maybe other
platforms.

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Re: real programmers(TM)

[Toby Speight]

Aaron> Aaron M. Ucko <URL:mailto:amu@MIT.EDU>

0> In article <udlwvkixbdp.fsf@quiche-lorraine.mit.edu>, Aaron wrote:

Aaron> Bah, that's for wimps.
Aaron>
Aaron>         cat /dev/audio > a.out
Aaron>
Aaron> and whistle into the microphone. ;-)

cat /dev/random >a.out

If you've seeded the RNG correctly, nothing more to do.

Re: real programmers(TM)

[Norman Walsh]

/ Toby Speight <streapadair@gmx.net> was heard to say:
| cat /dev/random >a.out
| 
| If you've seeded the RNG correctly, nothing more to do.

I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
number of seed values.

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Re: real programmers(TM)

[Kai Großjohann]

Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:

> I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
> number of seed values.

IIRC, /dev/random is a real random number generator, not a pseudo
random number generator.  So no problem there.

kai
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Re: real programmers(TM)

[Jaap-Henk Hoepman]

On Fri, 26 May 2000 13:28:42 +0200 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> 
> > I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
> > number of seed values.
> 
> IIRC, /dev/random is a real random number generator, not a pseudo
> random number generator.  So no problem there.

But it blocks as soon as the entropy pool is (estimated to be) empty. So the
problem remains :-)

Jaap-Henk

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Re: real programmers(TM)

[William M. Perry]

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Jaap-Henk Hoepman <hoepman@cs.utwente.nl> writes:

> On Fri, 26 May 2000 13:28:42 +0200 Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> > Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> writes:
> > 
> > > I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
> > > number of seed values.
> > 
> > IIRC, /dev/random is a real random number generator, not a pseudo
> > random number generator.  So no problem there.
> 
> But it blocks as soon as the entropy pool is (estimated to be) empty. So the
> problem remains :-)

But doesn't it seed it from interrupt timings, etc?  So just play a
bandwidth/keyboard/mouse intensive shoot-em-up game, and you write your
program while having fun at the same time. :)

-bp

Re: real programmers(TM)

[Stainless Steel Rat]

* Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>  on Fri, 26 May 2000
| I fear that's an incomplete solution. There are only a finite
| number of seed values.

And modern /dev/random implementations are cryptographically secure.
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Re: real programmers(TM)

[Hrvoje Niksic]

Brian May <bmay@csse.monash.edu.au> writes:

> (then again, not sure what adb is...)

`adb' is the thing you use for control characters that `ed' and `cat'
won't grok.  Linux wussies don't have adb.  Har har har har!

Re: real programmers(TM)

[Brian May]

>>>>> "Lloyd" == Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com> writes:

    Lloyd> Nope, they use ...

    Lloyd>    adb a.out

I always thought that the proper tool was

cat > a.out

or

echo "[insert program string here]" > a.out

(then again, not sure what adb is...)
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