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From: SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org>
Subject: Re: compatibility request -- `q' in *Article* buffer shouldn't quit group
Date: 11 Oct 1998 13:40:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2lnmmoms8.fsf@altair.xemacs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Hrvoje Niksic's message of "11 Oct 1998 21:11:46 +0200"

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes in ding@gnus.org:

> SL Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes:
>> I lost count of the number it times it bit me when I was experimenting 
>> with pgnus yesterday.

> Yes, but that's because you are accustomed to TM.  If it weren't for
> this TM's design decision, you would probably not do that.

That's exactly the point.  TM has been around for a *long* time -- as
long as Gnus 5 has been in existence.  The Gnus FAQ recommended it
practically from day 1.  It has been the default MIME package in
XEmacs since XEmacs 19.15.  Gnus is now taking over that area itself
and it really should preserve backwards compatibility particularly
with respect to user interface.  This isn't any different than the way
message mode preserves the same keybindings of the ancient mail-mode.

 ...
> What I mean is: pressing SPC in the Group buffer switches you to
> Summary.  But pressing SPC in the Summary buffer doesn't switch you to
> Article buffer.  This is why I think there is no good reason to make
> `q' in Article buffer switch to Summary.

> Especially when we already have two commands to do that (`h' and `s').
> Adding a fourth one looks like a real waste to me.

Gnus is *changing* the binding of `q' which formerly meant quit the
MIME viewer and return to the *Summary* buffer to exit the group.
This is dead wrong IMO.

There's similar braindamage in BBDB 2 -- the M-TAB fuckage it
introduced has got to go.  That key belongs to ispell.


  reply	other threads:[~1998-10-11 20:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1998-10-11  6:48 SL Baur
1998-10-11 15:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-10-11 17:11   ` Matt Simmons
1998-10-11 17:23     ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-11 19:05       ` SL Baur
1998-10-11 19:11         ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-11 20:40           ` SL Baur [this message]
1998-10-11 20:44             ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-11 21:24               ` Karl Kleinpaste
1998-10-11 21:41                 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-11 22:18                   ` Kai Grossjohann
1998-10-12 10:08                 ` Lloyd Zusman
1998-10-12 13:12                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-10-12 22:17                     ` Lloyd Zusman
1998-10-17 19:21                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-10-12 13:39                 ` Per Abrahamsen
1998-10-12 14:01               ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-10-11 22:13         ` Kai Grossjohann
     [not found] ` <6f7ly7i16q.fsf@dna.lth.se>
1998-10-11 15:41   ` Michael Harnois
1998-10-11 15:50     ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-11 16:34       ` Michael Harnois
     [not found]     ` <6fiuhrgkq1.fsf@dna.lth.se>
1998-10-11 16:36       ` Michael Harnois
1998-10-11 17:08         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-10-11 17:35           ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-11 17:57             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-10-11 18:28     ` Julian Assange
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1998-11-05 16:52 Feature req: import/export Group parameter or Server data Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-10-20 18:26 Pterodactyl Gnus v0.36 is released Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-10-20 19:27 ` *Group* buffer disappearance (Re: Pterodactyl Gnus v0.36 is released) Lloyd Zusman
1998-10-21  2:58   ` I fixed it, but I need Lars ... (Was: *Group* buffer disappearance) Lloyd Zusman
1998-10-21 12:40     ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-21 13:54       ` Lloyd Zusman
1998-10-21 14:22         ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-21 14:55           ` Lloyd Zusman
1998-10-21 14:59             ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-21 15:07               ` Lloyd Zusman
1998-10-21 15:10                 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-21 15:17                   ` Lloyd Zusman
1998-10-21 15:24                     ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-21 15:39                       ` Lloyd Zusman
1998-10-21 15:48                         ` Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-21 15:56                           ` Lee Willis
1998-10-22 13:10                   ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-09-08 16:08 Patch: be verbose if POP3 setup is not ok Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-09-03 15:57 Suggestion: to problem nndraft "Can't select group" Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-09-03 17:10 ` David S. Goldberg
1998-09-03 17:31   ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-09-02 13:26 Hallvard's gnus-e20/19.34/Pgnus 0.13 emulation (backtrace included) Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-24 22:12 Suggestion: Topic mode get news and topic group indentation level Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-22 15:12 patch: 5.6.38 gnus-uu, new regexp marking commands Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-21 15:49 Suggestion: *Group* SPC to show only new articles? Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-21  9:35 pop3 reading with gnus? jari.aalto
1998-08-21  9:56 ` Jean-Yves Perrier
1998-08-21 10:09   ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-20 20:29 5.6.38 Can't read drafts server? Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-19 15:57 Suggestion: Command to rename all Subejcts in thread Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-17  9:04 Master or slave?? Andy Eskilsson
     [not found] ` <6flnooezsi.fsf@bavur.dna.lth.se>
1998-08-17 11:27   ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-17 14:44     ` Andy Eskilsson
1998-08-15 19:37 Marking new unread articles differently? Matt Simmons
1998-08-15 20:43 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-15 21:03   ` SL Baur
1998-08-15 22:40     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-15 21:14   ` Harry Putnam
1998-08-25  6:23   ` Matt Simmons
1998-08-15 21:20 ` Eze Ogwuma
1998-08-16  6:05 ` Mike McEwan
1998-08-16 18:30   ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-13 14:39 request: commands for subsribe/unsubsribe from/to mailing lists Jari Aalto+list.ding
     [not found] ` <jari.aalto@poboxes.com>
1998-08-13 16:35   ` Jason L Tibbitts III
1998-08-13 16:56     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-13 18:27       ` William M. Perry
1998-08-19 17:30         ` Christopher Davis
1998-08-13 16:41   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-13 17:21     ` Bud Rogers
1998-08-17 13:06   ` Master or slave?? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-19  0:52   ` Marking new unread articles differently? Mike McEwan
1998-08-20 21:23     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-21 17:11       ` Mike McEwan
1998-08-21 19:15         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-25  6:25         ` Matt Simmons
1998-08-26  3:46           ` Mike McEwan
1998-08-20  1:26   ` Suggestion: Command to rename all Subejcts in thread Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-20  8:46     ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-20 19:41   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-20 21:19   ` 5.6.38 Can't read drafts server? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-21  6:38     ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-21 11:52     ` Karl Kleinpaste
1998-08-21 19:09   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-23 21:20     ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-21 19:10   ` pop3 reading with gnus? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-21 20:05     ` William M. Perry
1998-08-21 19:13   ` Suggestion: *Group* SPC to show only new articles? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-22 20:57   ` patch: 5.6.38 gnus-uu, new regexp marking commands Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-24  7:30   ` Suggestion: *Group* SPC to show only new articles? Kai Grossjohann
1998-08-24  8:37     ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-24  8:48   ` Kai Grossjohann
1998-08-24 10:10     ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-24 11:41   ` Kai Grossjohann
1998-08-24 12:20     ` Francisco Solsona
1998-08-24 14:38   ` Mike McEwan
1998-08-25  5:55   ` 5.6.38 Can't read drafts server? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-08-25 13:05     ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-08-25  6:11   ` Suggestion: Topic mode get news and topic group indentation level Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-09-02 14:34   ` Hallvard's gnus-e20/19.34/Pgnus 0.13 emulation (backtrace included) Hrvoje Niksic
1998-09-02 14:35   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-09-03 21:03   ` Suggestion: to problem nndraft "Can't select group" Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-09-08 19:38   ` Patch: be verbose if POP3 setup is not ok Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1998-09-08 21:04     ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-09-09 11:35       ` Per Abrahamsen
1998-09-09 13:07         ` Jari Aalto+list.ding
1998-10-12 14:07   ` compatibility request -- `q' in *Article* buffer shouldn't quit group Hrvoje Niksic
1998-10-13 12:54     ` Robert Pluim
1998-10-22 13:16   ` I fixed it, but I need Lars ... (Was: *Group* buffer disappearance) Hrvoje Niksic
1998-11-05 18:27   ` Feature req: import/export Group parameter or Server data Simon Josefsson

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