Re: ognus

[Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>]

Dave Love <d.love@dl.ac.uk> writes:

> >>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
> 
>  PA> Well, he used to avoid e.g. Kyle Jones code (which is both
>  PA> relevant and very high quality, but unassigned).
> 
> Please stop giving a false impression of this issue. 

Dave, you are being insulting.  Generally in your latest messages, and
specifically here.  I'm *not* trying to make any "impressions", false
or true.  And I don't care about whatever game you think we are
playing, where "impressions" matter.

> Here's an indication of serious management problems
> [ list of non-FSF copyrights in Gnus]

It is *not* in itself a sign of management problems.  It is only a
sign of management problems, if the project goal includes being
bundled with Emacs.  It *used to*[1] to be a project goal, a factoid
that is relevant when trying to establish what the presents goals are.

That the manager is absent so we can't ask him *is* an obvious
management problem.   

I care about Gnus, and I want Gnus to be part of Emacs (more than half
of all Gnus messages are posted from the version bundled with Emacs,
to bundling probably does more to get Gnus used than any work on
beginner friendliness).  Now, there is a big difference between "Lars
have abandoned the goal of bundling Gnus with Emacs", and "the goal is
unchanged, but the current commiteres haven't been teached properly".
In the first case, there is nothing you can do (except forking Gnus).
In the second case, trying to create a consensus on the list that
non-assigned code can be included is a viable goal.  Whining doesn't
help, carefully phrased non-insulting arguments does.

> CVS is not a substitute for management.  -- the manual

CVS with multiple writers probably require more format management than
the previous "send patch to Lars, wait for next snapshot" situation.
I did ask Lars to write some commit guidelines and he did, but they
should have been more detailed.

Footnotes: 
[1]  Past tense!