* Qua Vadis, Quassia? @ 1997-07-12 13:54 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-12 16:46 ` Vinnie Shelton ` (6 more replies) 0 siblings, 7 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-12 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) Perhaps it's about time I got off my fat ass and released Quassia. So look for it next weekend, or summink. Unless something gets in the way. But more importantly, as I was lying on the veranda, listening to _Peng!_ by Stereolab and looking at the clouds (boo hoo! It's probably going to rain and everything the day after I cleaned up the veranda for the first time this year and installed myself out there) that there should be some Quassia Gnus merchandice. As the sun (and clouds) got in my eyes and annoyed me, how about a Quassia Gnus cap? I envision a black cap with a gnu in green stitching on the front. No writing, I think. Should be quite inexpensive -- USD5-10 or something in that area? What I had originally planned were some Quassia Gnus cups. Well, mugs, rather. Kinda big, solid, heavy mugs suitable for sufficient quantaties of tea and/or coffee. I don't think those should be all that expensive, either, but I haven't checked. What do they normally sell for? USD10? They would be more of a chore to pack and ship, though. Styrofoam, styrofoam, styrofoam. But mugs would be more useful than caps. But caps are more summerey, while mugs are more winterey. I dunno. Whadday'all say? Cups or caps or something else altogether? T-shirts are always popular, but that's been done, kinda. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 13:54 Qua Vadis, Quassia? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-12 16:46 ` Vinnie Shelton 1997-07-12 16:59 ` Jason R Mastaler ` (5 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Vinnie Shelton @ 1997-07-12 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw) I think the cap sounds great! My guess is it'll cost around US $10, but I'd pay as much as $20. I also think you're right about the mugs and their shipping hassles. Go for the cap!! vin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 13:54 Qua Vadis, Quassia? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-12 16:46 ` Vinnie Shelton @ 1997-07-12 16:59 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-12 17:30 ` Justin Sheehy ` (4 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-12 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Whadday'all say? Cups or caps or something else altogether? T-shirts > are always popular, but that's been done, kinda. I like the cap idea. It's unique. Mugs are a very common gift in the computing industry, and I have so many mugs from various software/computer companies/conferences I'll probably never use them all (despite all the tea I drink) So, I vote for caps. Black ones.. :-) Jason R. Mastaler jason@mastaler.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 13:54 Qua Vadis, Quassia? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-12 16:46 ` Vinnie Shelton 1997-07-12 16:59 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-12 17:30 ` Justin Sheehy 1997-07-12 18:21 ` Johan Danielsson ` (3 more replies) 1997-07-12 18:09 ` Qua " Jens Lautenbacher ` (3 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 4 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Justin Sheehy @ 1997-07-12 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Whadday'all say? Cups or caps or something else altogether? T-shirts > are always popular, but that's been done, kinda. Hrm. I think that they sound really nifty looking, except that I don't wear caps. I look fairly silly in them. I mean, everyone wears t-shirts, so they always worked. And everybody drinks something, so mugs are a win. Some people just don't wear caps. However, if they are what we end up doing, I'll probably end up getting one anyway. My opinion is a little biased, as I jumped on the ding wagon just a little after the sgnus tshirts... I guess I can always just put a cap somewhere decorative. They do sound as though they would look pretty neato. -- Justin Sheehy In a cloud bones of steel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 17:30 ` Justin Sheehy @ 1997-07-12 18:21 ` Johan Danielsson 1997-07-12 18:27 ` James Troup ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Johan Danielsson @ 1997-07-12 18:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: > I think that they sound really nifty looking, except that I don't wear > caps. I look fairly silly in them. > > I mean, everyone wears t-shirts, so they always worked. And everybody > drinks something, so mugs are a win. Some people just don't wear > caps. `Right'. I haven't used a cap since I did my military service. /Johan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 17:30 ` Justin Sheehy 1997-07-12 18:21 ` Johan Danielsson @ 1997-07-12 18:27 ` James Troup 1997-07-12 19:41 ` Leonard Blanks 1997-07-12 20:20 ` Jason R Mastaler 3 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: James Troup @ 1997-07-12 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: > I think that they sound really nifty looking, except that I don't > wear caps. I look fairly silly in them. > > I mean, everyone wears t-shirts, so they always worked. And > everybody drinks something, so mugs are a win. Some people just > don't wear caps. Well said. I personally detest caps and never wear them. > However, if they are what we end up doing, I'll probably end up > getting one anyway. Me too. And I'll be forced to wear it :-( -- James ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 17:30 ` Justin Sheehy 1997-07-12 18:21 ` Johan Danielsson 1997-07-12 18:27 ` James Troup @ 1997-07-12 19:41 ` Leonard Blanks 1997-07-12 20:20 ` Jason R Mastaler 3 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Leonard Blanks @ 1997-07-12 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "JS" == Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: JS> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: >> Whadday'all say? Cups or caps or something else altogether? T-shirts >> are always popular, but that's been done, kinda. JS> I think that they sound really nifty looking, except that I don't JS> wear caps. I look fairly silly in them. And a cup would look better? They are also uncomfortable. JS> I mean, everyone wears t-shirts, so they always worked. And JS> everybody drinks something, so mugs are a win. Some people just JS> don't wear caps. It is true that the only people I have ever seen wearing caps are those in the military and guests on the Ricki Lake Show. I personally lack the sophistication necessary for a cap-wearer and don't even own a pickup truck, but the problems in P&P costs, breakage, and the like for cups shift my vote in favour of caps. JS> However, if they are what we end up doing, I'll probably end up JS> getting one anyway. See how reasonable some people can be? I'll even get a cup if it comes to that. -- Len ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 17:30 ` Justin Sheehy ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-12 19:41 ` Leonard Blanks @ 1997-07-12 20:20 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-12 21:25 ` Johan Danielsson 3 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-12 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: > I think that they sound really nifty looking, except that I don't wear > caps. I look fairly silly in them. > > I mean, everyone wears t-shirts, so they always worked. And everybody > drinks something, so mugs are a win. Some people just don't wear > caps. On the other hand, caps are more seasonal as Lars suggested and I think this has been a trend in the past. The Red Gnus sweatshirts arrived right around wintertime of last year for example.. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 20:20 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-12 21:25 ` Johan Danielsson 1997-07-12 22:10 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-12 22:15 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Johan Danielsson @ 1997-07-12 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes: > On the other hand, caps are more seasonal as Lars suggested and I > think this has been a trend in the past. The Red Gnus sweatshirts > arrived right around wintertime of last year for example.. Seasons tend to depend on which side of the planet you live. I'd rather have something I could use at least some part of the year - hmm, like an umbrella or something. :-) /Johan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 21:25 ` Johan Danielsson @ 1997-07-12 22:10 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-12 22:15 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-12 22:10 UTC (permalink / raw) joda@pdc.kth.se (Johan Danielsson) writes: > Seasons tend to depend on which side of the planet you live. I'd > rather have something I could use at least some part of the year - > hmm, like an umbrella or something. :-) Quite true. I guess I'm biased living here in New Mexico where we get about 300 sunny days per year.. Jason R. Mastaler jason@mastaler.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 21:25 ` Johan Danielsson 1997-07-12 22:10 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-12 22:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-14 1:40 ` Andrew J Cosgriff ` (4 more replies) 1 sibling, 5 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-12 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw) joda@pdc.kth.se (Johan Danielsson) writes: > Seasons tend to depend on which side of the planet you live. I'd > rather have something I could use at least some part of the year - > hmm, like an umbrella or something. :-) So we should do cups since it's winter in Australia now. :-) I think it looks like cups are way more popular than caps. I guess I'll just have to buy a non-Gnus cap for myself to wear when reading out on the veranda. Oh, the horrors of it all! I've been pondering the design of the possible cup. Howxabout something along the lines of: _ ___ _ _ _ ___ __ ___ __ _ ___ _____________________ __ _ ___ __ ___ __________________________ _ ___ _ _ _ __ _ ___ __ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Quassia Gnus _ _ In a cloud bones of steel _______________________ _ ________________________________________________ __ Print it out and wrap it around a mug and see how it looks. :-) (The real version won't be ascii art, of course.) I'll probably use the Saddam Hussein of typefaces, Futura Semicondensed Extra Bold, for the text. I hear that Syntax is supposed to be all cute and stuff, but I don't have that... A deep, verdant green for the mug and the image in, uhm, gold. Unless several different colors won't be more expensive, and we'll see about color printing and stuff. I'll have to ask around a bit. Uhm. Unless anybody has a different idea for the design. Design away, anybody who feels the calling... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 22:15 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-14 1:40 ` Andrew J Cosgriff 1997-07-14 3:36 ` Jason R Mastaler ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Andrew J Cosgriff @ 1997-07-14 1:40 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "lmi" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: >> Seasons tend to depend on which side of the planet you live. I'd >> rather have something I could use at least some part of the year - >> hmm, like an umbrella or something. :-) lmi> So we should do cups since it's winter in Australia now. :-) Funny you should mention that, since when I read this post, and the other quoted one, I look out my window and see a clear blue sky (although it's still cold :). Design looks cool. I don't think i've had a green mug before ("oo-er", as my english relatives say :) Andrew -- - Andrew J. Cosgriff - >> see X-headers >> ajc@bing.wattle.id.au LOOK!! Sullen American teens wearing MADRAS shorts and "Flock of Seagulls" HAIRCUTS! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 22:15 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-14 1:40 ` Andrew J Cosgriff @ 1997-07-14 3:36 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-14 10:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-14 8:34 ` Stig Sandbeck Mathisen ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-14 3:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Quassia Gnus _ _ In a cloud bones of steel What does "In a cloud bones of steel" refer to? I must have missed that somewhere along the line. Jason R. Mastaler jason@mastaler.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 3:36 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-14 10:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-15 14:18 ` Eze Ogwuma 0 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-14 10:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > > > Quassia Gnus _ _ In a cloud bones of steel > > What does "In a cloud bones of steel" refer to? I must have missed > that somewhere along the line. It's the Gnus motto. It says so in the manual, so it must be true. (It's in the "Compatibility" section.) It's the poem _The Bridge_ by Charles Reznikoff -- in full. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-15 14:18 ` Eze Ogwuma 1997-07-15 20:18 ` Jason R Mastaler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Eze Ogwuma @ 1997-07-15 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes: > > > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > > > > > Quassia Gnus _ _ In a cloud bones of steel > > > > What does "In a cloud bones of steel" refer to? I must have missed > > that somewhere along the line. > > It's the Gnus motto. It says so in the manual, so it must be true. > (It's in the "Compatibility" section.) Where's the "Compatibility" section? I can't see it. > It's the poem _The Bridge_ by Charles Reznikoff -- in full. Cap, mug or both, I'm buying. -- Eze Ogwuma ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-15 14:18 ` Eze Ogwuma @ 1997-07-15 20:18 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-16 1:17 ` Eze Ogwuma 0 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-15 20:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Eze Ogwuma <zcaceog@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > Where's the "Compatibility" section? I can't see it. Search for it in the info pages Index. ================== File: gnus, Node: Compatibility, Next: Conformity, Prev: Why?, Up: History Compatibility ------------- Gnus was designed to be fully compatible with GNUS. Almost all key bindings have been kept. More key bindings have been added, of course, but only in one or two obscure cases have old bindings been changed. Our motto is: In a cloud bones of steel. All commands have kept their names. Some internal functions have changed their names. The `gnus-uu' package has changed drastically. *See Decoding Articles::. One major compatibility question is the presence of several summary buffers. All variables relevant while reading a group are buffer-local to the summary buffer they belong in. Although many important variables have their values copied into their global counterparts whenever a command is executed in the summary buffer, this change might lead to incorrect values being used unless you are careful. All code that relies on knowledge of GNUS internals will probably fail. To take two examples: Sorting `gnus-newsrc-alist' (or changing it in any way, as a matter of fact) is strictly verboten. Gnus maintains a hash table that points to the entries in this alist (which speeds up many functions), and changing the alist directly will lead to peculiar results. Old hilit19 code does not work at all. In fact, you should probably remove all hilit code from all Gnus hooks (`gnus-group-prepare-hook' and `gnus-summary-prepare-hook'). Gnus provides various integrated functions for highlighting. These are faster and more accurate. To make life easier for everybody, Gnus will by default remove all hilit calls from all hilit hooks. Uncleanliness! Away! Packages like `expire-kill' will no longer work. As a matter of fact, you should probably remove all old GNUS packages (and other code) when you start using Gnus. More likely than not, Gnus already does what you have written code to make GNUS do. (Snicker.) Even though old methods of doing things are still supported, only the new methods are documented in this manual. If you detect a new method of doing something while reading this manual, that does not mean you have to stop doing it the old way. Gnus understands all GNUS startup files. Overall, a casual user who hasn't written much code that depends on GNUS internals should suffer no problems. If problems occur, please let me know by issuing that magic command `M-x gnus-bug'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-15 20:18 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-16 1:17 ` Eze Ogwuma 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Eze Ogwuma @ 1997-07-16 1:17 UTC (permalink / raw) Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes: > Eze Ogwuma <zcaceog@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > > > Where's the "Compatibility" section? I can't see it. > > Search for it in the info pages Index. > > ================== > > File: gnus, Node: Compatibility, Next: Conformity, Prev: Why?, Up: History > > Compatibility > ------------- [...] Thanks. -- Eze Ogwuma ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 22:15 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-14 1:40 ` Andrew J Cosgriff 1997-07-14 3:36 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-14 8:34 ` Stig Sandbeck Mathisen 1997-07-14 14:58 ` Dan Schmidt 1997-07-14 15:31 ` Joe Hildebrand 4 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Stig Sandbeck Mathisen @ 1997-07-14 8:34 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: LMI> A deep, verdant green for the mug and the image in, uhm, gold. Sounds good, only make it a big mug. I drink lots of tea, and need a big mug, so I don't have to leave the computer so often :) -- SSM - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen Trust the Computer, the Computer is your Friend ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 22:15 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-14 8:34 ` Stig Sandbeck Mathisen @ 1997-07-14 14:58 ` Dan Schmidt 1997-07-16 9:50 ` Stig Sandbeck Mathisen 1997-07-14 15:31 ` Joe Hildebrand 4 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Dan Schmidt @ 1997-07-14 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: | I've been pondering the design of the possible cup. Howxabout | something along the lines of: | | | _ ___ _ _ | _ ___ __ ___ __ _ ___ | _____________________ __ _ ___ __ ___ __________________________ | _ ___ _ | _ _ __ _ | ___ __ _ | __ _ | _ _ _ | _ _ _ | _ _ _ | __ ___ | _ _ _ _ | _ _ | _ _ | Quassia Gnus _ _ In a cloud bones of steel | _______________________ _ ________________________________________________ | __ | | | Print it out and wrap it around a mug and see how it looks. :-) | | (The real version won't be ascii art, of course.) Actually, I think the ASCII art would look really cool. -- Dan Schmidt -> dfan@harmonixmusic.com, dfan@alum.mit.edu Honest Bob & the http://www2.thecia.net/users/dfan/ Factory-to-Dealer Incentives -> http://www2.thecia.net/users/dfan/hbob/ Gamelan Galak Tika -> http://web.mit.edu/galak-tika/www/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 14:58 ` Dan Schmidt @ 1997-07-16 9:50 ` Stig Sandbeck Mathisen 1997-07-18 7:22 ` Andy Eskilsson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Stig Sandbeck Mathisen @ 1997-07-16 9:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> "DS" == Dan Schmidt <dfan@harmonixmusic.com> writes: DS> Actually, I think the ASCII art would look really cool. Especially in gold, yes :) -- SSM - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen Trust the Computer, the Computer is your Friend ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-16 9:50 ` Stig Sandbeck Mathisen @ 1997-07-18 7:22 ` Andy Eskilsson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Andy Eskilsson @ 1997-07-18 7:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Dan Schmidt, ding / Stig Sandbeck Mathisen <ssm@rlyeh.net> wrote: | >>>>> "DS" == Dan Schmidt <dfan@harmonixmusic.com> writes: | | DS> Actually, I think the ASCII art would look really cool. | | Especially in gold, yes :) On second thoghts, why not green on a black background, honouring the old text-terminals with the same appearance.. (Hmm quassia for me is green.. probbaly due to some association to cucumber, but naah keep to gold) /Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 22:15 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-14 14:58 ` Dan Schmidt @ 1997-07-14 15:31 ` Joe Hildebrand 1997-07-15 16:41 ` Andy Eskilsson 4 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Joe Hildebrand @ 1997-07-14 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) > "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: Lars> A deep, verdant green for the mug and the image in, uhm, Lars> gold. Unless several different colors won't be more Lars> expensive, and we'll see about color printing and stuff. Lars> I'll have to ask around a bit. Can it be non-metallic, so those of us who sometimes have to reheat their coffee (or tea) can stick the thing in the microwave? -- Joe Hildebrand Senior Technical Architect Research and Development Interlink Group, Inc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 15:31 ` Joe Hildebrand @ 1997-07-15 16:41 ` Andy Eskilsson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Andy Eskilsson @ 1997-07-15 16:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding / Joe Hildebrand <hildjj@mindspring.com> wrote: | | Can it be non-metallic, so those of us who sometimes have to reheat | their coffee (or tea) can stick the thing in the microwave? Naah think of the fireworks that you will be able to watch while zapping your drinks.. /a ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 13:54 Qua Vadis, Quassia? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-12 17:30 ` Justin Sheehy @ 1997-07-12 18:09 ` Jens Lautenbacher 1997-07-13 0:25 ` Andrew J Cosgriff 1997-07-12 22:04 ` Joev Dubach ` (2 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Jens Lautenbacher @ 1997-07-12 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Mugs. I look ridiculous wearing caps. I drink much tea. I don't have a good looking Real Big Mug(tm) by now. A Real Big Mug has around half a liter. jtl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 18:09 ` Qua " Jens Lautenbacher @ 1997-07-13 0:25 ` Andrew J Cosgriff 1997-07-14 15:45 ` Kai Grossjohann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Andrew J Cosgriff @ 1997-07-13 0:25 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Jens" == Jens Lautenbacher <jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes: Jens> Mugs. Jens> I look ridiculous wearing caps. I drink much tea. I don't have a good Jens> looking Real Big Mug(tm) by now. A Real Big Mug has around half a Jens> liter. I don't mind either way. I still haven't used the vi mug that arrived a few weeks ago (which has a vi command summary on the side - we need an emacs one, although it might have to be one of those large Bavarian beer mug thingies in order to fit the "quick reference" on it ;) Of course, i'd be more lilkely to use a Gnus mug than a vi one anyway :) Andrew (unfortunately my Stereolab CDs are at home, so i'm listening to Coil instead :) -- - Andrew J. Cosgriff - >> see X-headers >> ajc@bing.wattle.id.au "Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-13 0:25 ` Andrew J Cosgriff @ 1997-07-14 15:45 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-07-16 18:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-07-14 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Andrew J Cosgriff writes: ajc> [...] I still haven't used the vi mug that arrived a few weeks ajc> ago (which has a vi command summary on the side - we need an ajc> emacs one, although it might have to be one of those large ajc> Bavarian beer mug thingies in order to fit the "quick ajc> reference" on it ;) [...] How about printing the Gnus reference card on the *inside* of the mug? Gives an entirely new meaning to "reading in the tea leaves"[*], doesn't it? [*] English is not my native language. I'm not at all sure about the correctness of that idiom. But I hope you'll understand. What is the correct idiom, btw? John: How do I list empty groups, too? ajc: (stares deep into the mug) Hm, the tea leaves tell me that you have to turn north, jump up and down three times, and cry out loud "I know where my towel is!" When you're satisfied that Lars the Great has heard you, you may type L to receive His response. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 15:45 ` Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-07-16 18:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-16 19:40 ` Mats L÷fdahl 1997-07-17 9:10 ` Frank D. Cringle 0 siblings, 2 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-16 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: > How about printing the Gnus reference card on the *inside* of the mug? :-) Is that at all possible? I'll ask around while getting quotes for caps. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-16 18:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-16 19:40 ` Mats L÷fdahl 1997-07-16 22:02 ` Leonard Blanks 1997-07-17 6:04 ` Steinar Bang 1997-07-17 9:10 ` Frank D. Cringle 1 sibling, 2 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Mats L÷fdahl @ 1997-07-16 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: > > > How about printing the Gnus reference card on the *inside* of the > > mug? > > :-) > > Is that at all possible? Heck, I own a "Norwegian mug" (bought in Sweden, of course) that has the _handle_ on the inside... :-) -- Mats L÷fdahl + Voice: +1 (415) 424-4001 Advanced Technology Center, O/H1-52, B/254G + Lockheed Martin Missiles and Space + lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com 3251 Hanover Street, Palo Alto, CA 94304 + mlofdahl@solar.stanford.edu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-16 19:40 ` Mats L÷fdahl @ 1997-07-16 22:02 ` Leonard Blanks 1997-07-16 23:03 ` Johan Danielsson 1997-07-17 6:04 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Leonard Blanks @ 1997-07-16 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Mats" == Lfdahl <Mats> writes: Mats> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: >> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: >> >> > How about printing the Gnus reference card on the *inside* of >> > the mug? >> >> :-) >> >> Is that at all possible? Mats> Heck, I own a "Norwegian mug" (bought in Sweden, of course) Mats> that has the _handle_ on the inside... :-) Can Quassia Gnus Klein Bottles be far behind? -- Len ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-16 22:02 ` Leonard Blanks @ 1997-07-16 23:03 ` Johan Danielsson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Johan Danielsson @ 1997-07-16 23:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Leonard Blanks <ltb@haruspex.demon.co.uk> writes: > Can Quassia Gnus Klein Bottles be far behind? They should also be large enough for everyone. :-) /Johan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-16 19:40 ` Mats L÷fdahl 1997-07-16 22:02 ` Leonard Blanks @ 1997-07-17 6:04 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 1997-07-17 6:04 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Mats "L÷fdahl" <lofdahl@sag.space.lockheed.com>: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: >> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: >> >> > How about printing the Gnus reference card on the *inside* of the >> > mug? >> Is that at all possible? > Heck, I own a "Norwegian mug" (bought in Sweden, of course) that has > the _handle_ on the inside... :-) Keep this up, and the next version of Gnus will have a "Swede Detector",... with interesting results. Have you put it on the TODO list yet, larsi...? - Steinar ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-16 18:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-16 19:40 ` Mats L÷fdahl @ 1997-07-17 9:10 ` Frank D. Cringle 1 sibling, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Frank D. Cringle @ 1997-07-17 9:10 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: >Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: > >> How about printing the Gnus reference card on the *inside* of the mug? > >:-) > >Is that at all possible? I'll ask around while getting quotes for >caps. If the reference card won't fit, how about "No Gnus is horrible Gnus" on the inside base. -- Frank Cringle, fdc@cliwe.ping.de voice: (+49 2304) 467101; fax: 943357 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 13:54 Qua Vadis, Quassia? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-12 18:09 ` Qua " Jens Lautenbacher @ 1997-07-12 22:04 ` Joev Dubach 1997-07-13 13:36 ` Fredrik Glockner 1997-07-14 10:03 ` Qua " Kai Grossjohann 6 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Joev Dubach @ 1997-07-12 22:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Whadday'all say? Cups or caps or something else altogether? T-shirts > are always popular, but that's been done, kinda. Mug. I never wear caps, not even the ones I've gotten for development efforts. Joev <URL:http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~dubach1/> "While I have absolutely no love for Perl, it is one of the more popular languages today. I see no reason not to use syntactical elements from Perl just because Perl is a Tainted Work Of Pure Evil." -- Lars Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 13:54 Qua Vadis, Quassia? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (4 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-12 22:04 ` Joev Dubach @ 1997-07-13 13:36 ` Fredrik Glockner 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-14 10:03 ` Qua " Kai Grossjohann 6 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Fredrik Glockner @ 1997-07-13 13:36 UTC (permalink / raw) I'd like the cap, really. I've always wanted to wear a cap in the summer to avoid getting sunburn. But somehow I've never dared going out to actually buy one. They all have ugly design, too. This would be my great chance, I figure, to finally get a nice one. Fredrik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-13 13:36 ` Fredrik Glockner @ 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-14 11:14 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen ` (7 more replies) 0 siblings, 8 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-14 10:09 UTC (permalink / raw) fredrigl@math.uio.no (Fredrik Glockner) writes: > I'd like the cap, really. I've always wanted to wear a cap in the > summer to avoid getting sunburn. But somehow I've never dared going > out to actually buy one. They all have ugly design, too. This would > be my great chance, I figure, to finally get a nice one. That was my thought, too. So I'm flip-flopping on this again. The cups can wait, but it's summer here now, and I want a cap. :-) I'll look through some catalogs and visit a few cap-making places to see if I can find some caps that 1) are cheap, 2) there is no two, 3) don't look cheap, and 4) would not be something I'd be embarrassed to be seen out on the street in (much). If I can't find caps to satisfy these criteria, I'll go with cups. But if I do caps now, I'll probably do cups for Millennium Gnus this Xmas. (Yes, more forehead is sunburned. *sniffle* And my knees as well, but a cap wouldn't help with that. Oh, I guess I could put caps on my knees as well. Problem solved!) Anyone have any experience with caps? Are plastic-woven caps cooler than fabric-woven caps? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1997-07-14 11:14 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen 1997-07-14 11:29 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-07-14 11:23 ` Fredrik Gl÷ckner ` (6 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Lars Balker Rasmussen @ 1997-07-14 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > (Yes, more forehead is sunburned. *sniffle* And my knees as well, > but a cap wouldn't help with that. Oh, I guess I could put caps on my > knees as well. Problem solved!) That'd be a knee cap, then. -- Lars Balker Rasmussen, Software Engineer, Mjolner Informatics ApS lbr@mjolner.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 11:14 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen @ 1997-07-14 11:29 ` Kai Grossjohann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-07-14 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Lars writes: Lars> (Yes, more forehead is sunburned. *sniffle* And my knees as Lars> well, but a cap wouldn't help with that. Oh, I guess I could Lars> put caps on my knees as well. Problem solved!) >>>>> Lars anwers: Lars> That'd be a knee cap, then. I've already got two of those. Don't you, Lars? SCNR, kai (ambiguity intended) -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-14 11:14 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen @ 1997-07-14 11:23 ` Fredrik Gl÷ckner 1997-07-14 12:11 ` Johan Danielsson ` (5 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Fredrik Gl÷ckner @ 1997-07-14 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: | The cups can wait, but it's summer here now, and I want a cap. :-) *Hail!* Fredrik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1997-07-14 11:14 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen 1997-07-14 11:23 ` Fredrik Gl÷ckner @ 1997-07-14 12:11 ` Johan Danielsson 1997-07-14 13:35 ` William M. Perry 1997-07-14 13:49 ` Jason R Mastaler ` (4 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Johan Danielsson @ 1997-07-14 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > That was my thought, too. So I'm flip-flopping on this again. The > cups can wait, but it's summer here now, and I want a cap. :-) The question is if it will still be summer when they are ready. How about a combo-kit to make everyone happy? That would give you something to wrap the mug in as well. No, you better make that a fur hat. :-) /Johan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 12:11 ` Johan Danielsson @ 1997-07-14 13:35 ` William M. Perry 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: William M. Perry @ 1997-07-14 13:35 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding joda@pdc.kth.se (Johan Danielsson) writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > > > That was my thought, too. So I'm flip-flopping on this again. The > > cups can wait, but it's summer here now, and I want a cap. :-) > > The question is if it will still be summer when they are ready. How > about a combo-kit to make everyone happy? That would give you > something to wrap the mug in as well. No, you better make that a fur > hat. :-) Hey - I'd go for that! As long as the bundle was < $40US -Bill P. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-14 12:11 ` Johan Danielsson @ 1997-07-14 13:49 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-14 18:37 ` Leonard Blanks 1997-07-14 20:28 ` David Hedbor 1997-07-14 16:50 ` Danny Siu ` (3 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 2 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-14 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: > Anyone have any experience with caps? Are plastic-woven caps cooler > than fabric-woven caps? No I don't think they are. I think we should avoid two kinds of caps. 1) caps with a foam rubber bill covered with that shiny paint that tends to peel off and crack 2) caps with plastic mesh anywhere on it. Both kind of caps look really cheap and don't hold up to stress well. Harder to wash too. I like hard brimmed baseball style caps "one size fits all" with an all cotton surface, or a cotton-polyester blend. P.S. I don't own a pickup truck and have never been a guest on Rikki Lake or of the military. I just find caps convenient when playing golf and tennis because of the bright sun and my long hair. :-) Jason R. Mastaler jason@mastaler.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 13:49 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-14 18:37 ` Leonard Blanks 1997-07-14 20:28 ` David Hedbor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Leonard Blanks @ 1997-07-14 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "JRM" == Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes: JRM> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes: >> Anyone have any experience with caps? Are plastic-woven caps cooler >> than fabric-woven caps? JRM> No I don't think they are. I think we should avoid two kinds of JRM> caps. JRM> 1) caps with a foam rubber bill covered with that shiny paint JRM> that tends to peel off and crack JRM> 2) caps with plastic mesh anywhere on it. Only the propeller should be plastic. -- Len ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 13:49 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-14 18:37 ` Leonard Blanks @ 1997-07-14 20:28 ` David Hedbor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: David Hedbor @ 1997-07-14 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes: > P.S. I don't own a pickup truck and have never been a guest on Rikki > Lake or of the military. I just find caps convenient when playing > golf and tennis because of the bright sun and my long hair. :-) Caps are almost necessary when painting a house in warm weather. Especially if your hair is kinda long. It helps to keep hair out of your face, as well as stopping the sweat from dropping all over your face. :-) -- Westheimer's Discovery: A couple of months in the laboratory can frequently save a couple of hours in the library. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-14 13:49 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-14 16:50 ` Danny Siu 1997-07-14 17:58 ` luis fernandes ` (2 subsequent siblings) 7 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Danny Siu @ 1997-07-14 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: Lars> Anyone have any experience with caps? Are plastic-woven caps cooler Lars> than fabric-woven caps? The fabric-woven cap definitely looks cooler even if it doesn't feel as cool as the plastic one. ;-) -- ^..^ '/..\" ( oo ) )~ m( oo )m ,, ,, /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ | Danny Dick-Fung Siu http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~dsiu | | Reference System Group http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~dsiu | | Adobe Systems Incorporated E-Mail:<dsiu@alumni.eecs.berkeley.edu> | | "What do you expect from a <dsiu@leland.stanford.edu> | | Cal. Berkeley grad.?" <dsiu@adobe.com> | \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (4 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-14 16:50 ` Danny Siu @ 1997-07-14 17:58 ` luis fernandes 1997-07-14 20:25 ` David Hedbor 1997-07-15 16:39 ` Andy Eskilsson 7 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: luis fernandes @ 1997-07-14 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw) larsi> Anyone have any experience with caps? Are plastic-woven larsi> caps cooler than fabric-woven caps? Once upon a time I intended to look into this, but never got the time. The best type of caps are 6-panel cloth caps with an adjustable band at the back (leather strap with a buckle; the adjustable plastic ones then to breakdown over time). Take a look at the pics at: <http://www.jplerc.org/jpl.htm> for the caps. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (5 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-14 17:58 ` luis fernandes @ 1997-07-14 20:25 ` David Hedbor 1997-07-15 16:39 ` Andy Eskilsson 7 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: David Hedbor @ 1997-07-14 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw) I think I'd rather have that cup, but for me a cap would be useful for rainy days, as well as the sunny ones. A cap works perfectly as to protect my glasses from raindrops! It's most likely more useful than to protect them from sun (especially when biking). -- drug, n: A substance that, injected into a rat, produces a scientific paper. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Quo Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:09 ` Quo " Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (6 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-14 20:25 ` David Hedbor @ 1997-07-15 16:39 ` Andy Eskilsson 7 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Andy Eskilsson @ 1997-07-15 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw) / Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote: | | That was my thought, too. So I'm flip-flopping on this again. The | cups can wait, but it's summer here now, and I want a cap. :-) Hear hear! My Sun Microsystems mug will hold until x-mas (though it has one crack..) /andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-12 13:54 Qua Vadis, Quassia? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen ` (5 preceding siblings ...) 1997-07-13 13:36 ` Fredrik Glockner @ 1997-07-14 10:03 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-07-14 11:05 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen ` (2 more replies) 6 siblings, 3 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-07-14 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: Lars> [...] What I had originally planned were some Quassia Gnus Lars> cups. Well, mugs, rather. Kinda big, solid, heavy mugs Lars> suitable for sufficient quantaties of tea and/or coffee. [...] All the pro-mug people here seem to drink tea, not coffee. Wouldn't it be nice to make a poll and add a section to the appendix of the Gnus manual along the lines of: Did you know that 75% of all Gnus users drink tea, not coffee? Or would that be better put in the FAQ? Or in some popup messages in the echo area like Kyle has for VM? Whatcha think? kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:03 ` Qua " Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-07-14 11:05 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen 1997-07-14 11:32 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-07-14 11:38 ` Michael Huehne 1997-07-14 13:15 ` Justin Sheehy 2 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Lars Balker Rasmussen @ 1997-07-14 11:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: > All the pro-mug people here seem to drink tea, not coffee. Uhm, no. > Wouldn't it be nice to make a poll and add a section to the appendix > of the Gnus manual along the lines of: > > Did you know that 75% of all Gnus users drink tea, not coffee? > > Or would that be better put in the FAQ? Or in some popup messages in > the echo area like Kyle has for VM? nnpoll? Gnus asks a silly question when you start it; results are put on www.gnus.org, so Gnus can download it and present statistics to the user at random. Sheesh, I need a holiday. > Whatcha think? I think you're almost as crazy as I am :-) -- Lars Balker Rasmussen, Software Engineer, Mjolner Informatics ApS lbr@mjolner.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 11:05 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen @ 1997-07-14 11:32 ` Kai Grossjohann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-07-14 11:32 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Lars Balker Rasmussen writes: Lars> nnpoll? Gnus asks a silly question when you start it; results Lars> are put on www.gnus.org, so Gnus can download it and present Lars> statistics to the user at random. Great idea! Just send the results by mail, though. Some people (like me) might sit behind a firewall and can't do much where they don't have a proxy for. And sending mail doesn't need much setup, I'd guess. kai -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:03 ` Qua " Kai Grossjohann 1997-07-14 11:05 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen @ 1997-07-14 11:38 ` Michael Huehne 1997-07-14 13:39 ` William M. Perry 1997-07-14 15:07 ` Kai Grossjohann 1997-07-14 13:15 ` Justin Sheehy 2 siblings, 2 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Michael Huehne @ 1997-07-14 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> " Kai" == Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de> schreibt: >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >>>>>>> [...] What I had originally planned were some Quassia Gnus >>>>>>> cups. Well, mugs, rather. Kinda big, solid, heavy mugs >>>>>>> suitable for sufficient quantaties of tea and/or >>>>>>> coffee. [...] Hi, I prefer a really big mug (0,5 liter or more) because nearly every standard cap design might be to small for my head (65 - 66 cm circumfence = XXXL for helmets). A price up to 20 US$ including p&p would be fine for me. Gold printing on dark green might be a cool style :-) But how about a well fitting saucer for this mug project ? Most of my mugs do not have a saucer (but one). Some times I get some chocolate milk rings on my papers and the surface of my desktop. A saucer might protect your documents too ? Kai> All the pro-mug people here seem to drink tea, not Kai> coffee. Wouldn't it be nice to make a poll and add a Kai> section to the appendix of the Gnus manual along the Kai> lines of: Kai> Did you know that 75% of all Gnus users drink tea, not Kai> coffee? What about the minority drinking chocolate milk like me ? Is anybody else out there not even drinking tea or coffee ? Kai> Or would that be better put in the FAQ? Or in some popup Kai> messages in the echo area like Kyle has for VM? Kai> Whatcha think? -- Freundliche Grüße, Best regards, Michael Hühne Gebietsverkaufsleiter Mitte/West ============================================ Michael Hühne ======= ____ ==== Großkundenvertrieb/Sales ====== / / / ___ ___ _/_ ===== Tel: +49 231 972 1071 ===== /---- / / / / /___/ / ====== Fax: +49 231 972 1122 ==== /____ /___/ / / /___ /_ ======= E-Mail: mh@Germany.EU.net ======================================================================== EUnet Deutschland GmbH, Emil-Figge-Strasse 80, D-44227 Dortmund, Germany ================== Ein Unternehmen der UUNET-Gruppe ================== ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 11:38 ` Michael Huehne @ 1997-07-14 13:39 ` William M. Perry 1997-07-14 14:51 ` Michael Huehne 1997-07-14 15:07 ` Kai Grossjohann 1 sibling, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: William M. Perry @ 1997-07-14 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kai Grossjohann, ding Michael Huehne <Michael.Huehne@Germany.EU.net> writes: > >>>>> " Kai" == Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.cs.uni-dortmund.de> schreibt: > > >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > >>>>>>> [...] What I had originally planned were some Quassia Gnus > >>>>>>> cups. Well, mugs, rather. Kinda big, solid, heavy mugs > >>>>>>> suitable for sufficient quantaties of tea and/or > >>>>>>> coffee. [...] > > Hi, > > I prefer a really big mug (0,5 liter or more) because nearly every > standard cap design might be to small for my head (65 - 66 cm > circumfence = XXXL for helmets). A price up to 20 US$ including p&p > would be fine for me. > > Gold printing on dark green might be a cool style :-) But how about > a well fitting saucer for this mug project ? > > Most of my mugs do not have a saucer (but one). Some times I get > some chocolate milk rings on my papers and the surface of my > desktop. A saucer might protect your documents too ? Hmmm - not a bad idea, but it'll be one hell of a saucer. Perhaps some people don't have a desk that big. :) > Kai> All the pro-mug people here seem to drink tea, not > Kai> coffee. Wouldn't it be nice to make a poll and add a > Kai> section to the appendix of the Gnus manual along the > Kai> lines of: > > Kai> Did you know that 75% of all Gnus users drink tea, not > Kai> coffee? > > What about the minority drinking chocolate milk like me ? > > Is anybody else out there not even drinking tea or coffee ? I typically drink ~1 gallon of milk per day (not chocolate though). Perhaps a GNUS Millnium Udder is in order? I no longer drink caffeinated drinks (I had to quit cold turkey when I realized I was drinking over a 12-pack a day[1]), and never have drunk tea or coffee (vile stuff). -Bill P. [1] My company provides free soft drinks and snacks - we have hired 9 new people since I stopped drinking pop, and our monthly intake still hasn't gotten back up to where it was when I was. :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 13:39 ` William M. Perry @ 1997-07-14 14:51 ` Michael Huehne 1997-07-14 15:28 ` William M. Perry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Michael Huehne @ 1997-07-14 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Michael Huehne, Kai Grossjohann, ding >>>>> " Bill" == William M Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> schreibt: Bill> Michael Huehne <Michael.Huehne@Germany.EU.net> writes: >>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >>>> [...] What I had originally planned were some Quassia >>>> Gnus cups. Well, mugs, rather. Kinda big, solid, heavy >>>> mugs suitable for sufficient quantaties of tea and/or >>>> coffee. [...] >>> Hi, I prefer a really big mug (0,5 liter or more) because nearly >>> every standard cap design might be to small for my head (65 - 66 >>> cm circumfence = XXXL for helmets). A price up to 20 US$ >>> including p&p would be fine for me. Gold printing on dark green >>> might be a cool style :-) But how about a well fitting saucer for >>> this mug project ? Most of my mugs do not have a saucer (but >>> one). Some times I get some chocolate milk rings on my papers and >>> the surface of my desktop. A saucer might protect your documents >>> too ? Bill> Hmmm - not a bad idea, but it'll be one hell of a Bill> saucer. Perhaps some people don't have a desk that Bill> big. :) Grin, if my desk would be big enough I would have a place for my mug without surrounding paper :-) >From my point of view this is a typical: "What comes first problem?" The missing space on my desk or the chocolate milk rings on my papers ? Quite simple: The mug full of chocolate milk without a saucer :-)) Kai> All the pro-mug people here seem to drink tea, not coffee. Kai> Wouldn't it be nice to make a poll and add a section to the Kai> appendix of the Gnus manual along the lines of: >>> Kai> Did you know that 75% of all Gnus users drink tea, not coffee? >>> What about the minority drinking chocolate milk like me ? Is >>> anybody else out there not even drinking tea or coffee ? Bill> I typically drink ~1 gallon of milk per day (not Bill> chocolate though). Perhaps a GNUS Millnium Udder is in Bill> order? Whoa, thats very similar to 4 liter ... I am very impressed ! On hot days I am satisfied with 2 liter of milk plus some coke in the evening during the dinner. Bill> I no longer drink caffeinated drinks (I had to quit cold Bill> turkey when I realized I was drinking over a 12-pack a Bill> day[1]), and never have drunk tea or coffee (vile Bill> stuff). Marvelous ... your US cans are ~ 0.48 liter * 12 = ~ 5.5 liter. Bill> -Bill P. Bill> [1] My company provides free soft drinks and snacks - we Bill> have hired 9 new people since I stopped drinking pop, Bill> and our monthly intake still hasn't gotten back up to Bill> where it was when I was. :) Great service from you company. We get only mineral water, coffee and ~ 20 kinds of tea for free. -- Freundliche Grüße, Best regards, Michael Hühne Gebietsverkaufsleiter Mitte/West ============================================ Michael Hühne ======= ____ ==== Großkundenvertrieb/Sales ====== / / / ___ ___ _/_ ===== Tel: +49 231 972 1071 ===== /---- / / / / /___/ / ====== Fax: +49 231 972 1122 ==== /____ /___/ / / /___ /_ ======= E-Mail: mh@Germany.EU.net ======================================================================== EUnet Deutschland GmbH, Emil-Figge-Strasse 80, D-44227 Dortmund, Germany ================== Ein Unternehmen der UUNET-Gruppe ================== ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 14:51 ` Michael Huehne @ 1997-07-14 15:28 ` William M. Perry 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: William M. Perry @ 1997-07-14 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kai Grossjohann, ding Michael Huehne <Michael.Huehne@Germany.EU.net> writes: > Bill> [1] My company provides free soft drinks and snacks - we have hired > Bill> 9 new people since I stopped drinking pop, and our monthly intake > Bill> still hasn't gotten back up to where it was when I was. :) > > Great service from you company. We get only mineral water, coffee and ~ > 20 kinds of tea for free. Tea - gack. The engineers typically do the shopping, so we have incredible amounts of, to put it lightly, crap. Ding-dongs, coke, spaghettios, pudding, M&Ms, anything that strikes the fancy. The fact that we typically make the shopping trips during lunch _before_ we eat doesn't help matters. :) -Bill P. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 11:38 ` Michael Huehne 1997-07-14 13:39 ` William M. Perry @ 1997-07-14 15:07 ` Kai Grossjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Kai Grossjohann @ 1997-07-14 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> Michael Huehne writes: Micha> Most of my mugs do not have a saucer (but one). Some times I Micha> get some chocolate milk rings on my papers and the surface of Micha> my desktop. A saucer might protect your documents too ? But then Lars would have to send out spell-bound mugs and saucers which would tend to gravitate towards each other in the Great Hills of Important Paperwork on our desks, wouldn't he? OTOH, imagine a saucer full of old chocolate milk slowly gravitating to the bottom of one of the Great Hills (or rather, a Great Hill growing even greater over the saucer). That would make for some real interesting biotopes, don't you think? I've already done some experiments with bottles of chocolate milk but grew bored before the inhabitants started to crawl out of it. So it wasn't all that interesting. kai "this document only genuine with Real Chocolate Milk Rings" -- A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 10:03 ` Qua " Kai Grossjohann 1997-07-14 11:05 ` Lars Balker Rasmussen 1997-07-14 11:38 ` Michael Huehne @ 1997-07-14 13:15 ` Justin Sheehy 1997-07-14 14:25 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-14 18:01 ` Steven L Baur 2 siblings, 2 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Justin Sheehy @ 1997-07-14 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: > All the pro-mug people here seem to drink tea, not coffee. Not all. I probably drink enough coffee to make up for all of you silly tea-drinkers... -- Justin Sheehy In a cloud bones of steel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 13:15 ` Justin Sheehy @ 1997-07-14 14:25 ` Jason R Mastaler 1997-07-14 18:48 ` Rajappa Iyer 1997-07-14 18:01 ` Steven L Baur 1 sibling, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-14 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: > I probably drink enough coffee to make up for all of you silly > tea-drinkers... "Tea, though ridiculed by those who are naturally coarse in their nervous sensibilities...will always be the favored beverage of the intellectual." Thomas DeQuincey (1775--1859) Confessions of an English Opium Eater :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 14:25 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-14 18:48 ` Rajappa Iyer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Rajappa Iyer @ 1997-07-14 18:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding [ This is getting a little off-topic, but... ;-) ] Jason R Mastaler <jason@mastaler.com> writes: > Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: > > > I probably drink enough coffee to make up for all of you silly > > tea-drinkers... > > "Tea, though ridiculed by those who are naturally coarse > in their nervous sensibilities...will always be the favored > beverage of the intellectual." > > Thomas DeQuincey (1775--1859) > Confessions of an English Opium Eater >From an old article: [begin excerpt] Subject: Re: Public Space (was Re: The Conscience of the Eye) From: rosebowl@nwu.edu (Cognito Jones) Date: 1996/11/15 Message-Id: <rosebowl-1511962322470001@aragorn177.nuts.nwu.edu> Newsgroups: rec.arts.books In article <56ik2k$r6c@jeeves.usfca.edu>, jennifer@web.usfca.edu (jennifer) wrote: > another obbook: _Communitas_ > jennifer Two others - Jane Jacobs, Life & Death of Great Cities (from memory - is that title right?) has a good discussion of public spaces. And there is a book called The Great Good Place that deals with the subject. Includes coffeehouses, and was my first exposure to the Women's Petition Against Coffee...The book, by Ray Oldenburg, prof of psychology & contributor to Psychology Today, is about "third places," ie, gathering places outside home & work. He devotes a chapter to coffee houses, and refers to the Petition as follows: : One of the most important of coffee house rules was : *not* posted. Women were excluded from the : premises...Scarcely two decades after it first : appeared and emerged as exclusively male [late 1600s : in England], the coffee house became the target of The : Women's Petition Against Coffee.... : : Until recently the language of the Women's Petition : was considered to be so obscene and vulgar as to : preclude its printing....Five of those ten : paragraphs....made the claim that the "base, black, : thick, nasty bitter stinking, nauseous Puddle water" : causes impotence in the male. Contending that : Englishment were once justly esteemed the "Ablest : Performers" in Christendom, the document proclaimed a : new & deplorable state of affairs as brought about by : coffee: : : But to our unspeakable Grief, we find of late a very : sensible *Decay* of that true *Old English Viguor*; our : Gallants being every was so *Frenchified*, that they : are become meer Cock-sparrows, fluttering things that : come *Sa fa*, with a world of Fury, but are not able : to *stand* to it, and in the very first Charge fall : down *flat* before us. Never did Men wear greater : Breeches, or carry less in them of any Mettle : whatsoever. (The following excerpt from the "Women's Petition Against Coffee" appears in Ray, O. & Ksir, C. _Drugs, Society, and Human Behavior,_ fifth edition, page 216. The reference is to Meyer, H: Old English coffee houses, Emmaus, PA, 1954: The Rodale Press.) "Our Countrymens pallates are become as _Fanatical_ as their Brains; how else is't possible they should _Apostatize_ from the good old primitive way of Ale-drinking, to run a _Whoreing_ after such variety of distructive Foreign Liquors, to trifle away their time, scald their _Chops,_ and spend their _Money,_ all for a little _base,_ _black,_ _thick,_ _nasty_ _bitter_ stinking,_ _nauseaous_ Puddle water..." Hope this stirs things up.... CJ [end excerpt] ;-) -- Rajappa Iyer <rsi@lucent.com> #include <std_disclaimer.h> They also surf who only stand on the waves. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 13:15 ` Justin Sheehy 1997-07-14 14:25 ` Jason R Mastaler @ 1997-07-14 18:01 ` Steven L Baur 1997-07-14 15:27 ` Edvard Majakari ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Steven L Baur @ 1997-07-14 18:01 UTC (permalink / raw) Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: > Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: >> All the pro-mug people here seem to drink tea, not coffee. > Not all. > I probably drink enough coffee to make up for all of you silly > tea-drinkers... Count me as another pro-mug coffee drinker. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 18:01 ` Steven L Baur @ 1997-07-14 15:27 ` Edvard Majakari 1997-07-14 22:12 ` Andrew J Cosgriff 1997-07-15 13:08 ` Jan Vroonhof 2 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Edvard Majakari @ 1997-07-14 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes: >> I probably drink enough coffee to make up for all of you silly >> tea-drinkers... sb> Count me as another pro-mug coffee drinker. Shouldn't someone make a web page (Hmm... :) where would be a form and we'd see whether we want a cap (ungh, I won't say what I think of caps :), a mug or an umbrella. I'm a pro-mug; Gnussian mug I could drink splendid black, ceylon tea mixture or some hot chocolate milk from - MMmm. :) -- //Ed GSM: 040 5960810 URL: http://lodge.ton.tut.fi/~ed/ Dear friends, let us love one another; for love has its origin in God, and every one who loves has become a child of God and is beginning to know God. -- 1st John 4:7 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 18:01 ` Steven L Baur 1997-07-14 15:27 ` Edvard Majakari @ 1997-07-14 22:12 ` Andrew J Cosgriff 1997-07-15 13:08 ` Jan Vroonhof 2 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Andrew J Cosgriff @ 1997-07-14 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes: sb> Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org> writes: >> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@charly.cs.uni-dortmund.de> writes: >>> All the pro-mug people here seem to drink tea, not coffee. >> Not all. >> I probably drink enough coffee to make up for all of you silly >> tea-drinkers... sb> Count me as another pro-mug coffee drinker. Me Too(tm) :P (I do have a fair bit of tea at home, but it doesn't really compete with the percolator I share with a coworker here in my office ;) -- - Andrew J. Cosgriff - >> see X-headers >> ajc@bing.wattle.id.au UH-OH!! I put on ``GREAT HEAD-ON TRAIN COLLISIONS of the 50's'' by mistake!!! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-14 18:01 ` Steven L Baur 1997-07-14 15:27 ` Edvard Majakari 1997-07-14 22:12 ` Andrew J Cosgriff @ 1997-07-15 13:08 ` Jan Vroonhof 1997-07-15 15:31 ` Joe Hildebrand 2 siblings, 1 reply; 63+ messages in thread From: Jan Vroonhof @ 1997-07-15 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw) Steven L Baur <steve@xemacs.org> writes: > > I probably drink enough coffee to make up for all of you silly > > tea-drinkers... > > Count me as another pro-mug coffee drinker. I drink both. The biggest problem with coffee would be size. There is not much room to print that funny logo on an expresso-cup. We are talking real coffee are we? Jan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
* Re: Qua Vadis, Quassia? 1997-07-15 13:08 ` Jan Vroonhof @ 1997-07-15 15:31 ` Joe Hildebrand 0 siblings, 0 replies; 63+ messages in thread From: Joe Hildebrand @ 1997-07-15 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding > "Jan" == Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes: Jan> I drink both. The biggest problem with coffee would be Jan> size. There is not much room to print that funny logo on an Jan> expresso-cup. We are talking real coffee are we? Size doesn't matter. BTW, I too am pro-coffee, although not anti-tea. I tend to drink tea more as a social event, and coffee when I really need to power down the caffeine. In a pinch, one can drink expresso from a large mug, assuming one has a large enough room (or at least one with padded walls) so as to avoid vibration-induced personal injury. I wonder if coffee injuries are covered by our workman's comp insurance? -- Joe Hildebrand Senior Technical Architect Research and Development Interlink Group, Inc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 63+ messages in thread
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