* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts [not found] <3229147191814452@oakhurst.yi.org> @ 2002-04-30 9:34 ` Sean Neakums [not found] ` <3229150801659975@oakhurst.yi.org> 2002-04-30 11:10 ` Martin Sandiford ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Sean Neakums @ 2002-04-30 9:34 UTC (permalink / raw) commence Thomas Skogestad quotation: [...] > 2. When editing headers in a message buffer, C-a and C-e do not go > the beginning or end of the line, but to the colon. Personally, I like that feature. I never change the name of the header, always its content. Only C-a has different behaviour, by the way. C-e is still bound to the vanilla end-of-line. -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin <sneakums@zork.net> | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
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* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts [not found] ` <3229150801659975@oakhurst.yi.org> @ 2002-04-30 11:14 ` Romain FRANCOISE 2002-04-30 11:53 ` Fabien Penso 2002-04-30 11:39 ` Matthieu Moy 2002-05-05 13:14 ` Steinar Bang 2 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Romain FRANCOISE @ 2002-04-30 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Thomas Skogestad writes: > * Sean Neakums > | Personally, I like that feature. > I hate it. Well, I like too. I guess you can just rebind C-a to `beginning-of-line' in Message mode, and you'll be set. -- Romain FRANCOISE <romain@orebokech.com> it's a miracle! -- http://www.orebokech.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-04-30 11:14 ` Romain FRANCOISE @ 2002-04-30 11:53 ` Fabien Penso 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Fabien Penso @ 2002-04-30 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 438 bytes --] Romain on Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:14:46 +0200 wrote: > Thomas Skogestad writes: >> * Sean Neakums >> | Personally, I like that feature. >> I hate it. > Well, I like too. I guess you can just rebind C-a to `beginning-of-line' > in Message mode, and you'll be set. or hit C-a twice. -- Fabien Penso <penso@linuxfr.org> | LinuxFr a toujours besoin de : http://perso.LinuxFr.org/penso/ | http://linuxFr.org/dons/ [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 239 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts [not found] ` <3229150801659975@oakhurst.yi.org> 2002-04-30 11:14 ` Romain FRANCOISE @ 2002-04-30 11:39 ` Matthieu Moy 2002-04-30 11:48 ` Sean Neakums [not found] ` <3229343185064781@oakhurst.yi.org> 2002-05-05 13:14 ` Steinar Bang 2 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Matthieu Moy @ 2002-04-30 11:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Thomas Skogestad <tskogest@jusstud.uio.no> writes: > I either delete a header, or when I edit a header ... I can't think of a > time I've changed the text directly after the colon. Did you never change your mind about the recipient of your mail ? Then, C-a, C-k, and type a new content. This seems natural to me. If you wish to go to the beginning of line, then, C-a twice will make you happy. -- Matthieu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-04-30 11:39 ` Matthieu Moy @ 2002-04-30 11:48 ` Sean Neakums [not found] ` <3229343185064781@oakhurst.yi.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Sean Neakums @ 2002-04-30 11:48 UTC (permalink / raw) commence Matthieu Moy quotation: > If you wish to go to the beginning of line, then, C-a twice will make > you happy. Or this: (define-key message-mode-map "\C-a" 'beginning-of-line) -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin <sneakums@zork.net> | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
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* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts [not found] ` <3229343185064781@oakhurst.yi.org> @ 2002-05-02 15:49 ` Sean Neakums 2002-05-02 16:32 ` Karl Eichwalder 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Sean Neakums @ 2002-05-02 15:49 UTC (permalink / raw) commence Thomas Skogestad quotation: > | If you wish to go to the beginning of line, then, C-a twice will > | make you happy. > > I was happy before. Then change the binding as suggested in two separate posts, and get on with your life. -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin <sneakums@zork.net> | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-02 15:49 ` Sean Neakums @ 2002-05-02 16:32 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-02 17:59 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-03 7:38 ` Sean Neakums 0 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-02 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw) Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes: > Then change the binding as suggested in two separate posts, and get on > with your life. Note, it isn't nice to steal default keys. Emacs, for good reason, is very conservative. Some Gnus hackers claimed C-a must mimick current shell-mode behavior--I opposed because shell-mode is completely different: nobody will remove the prompt in shell-mode, but it happens quite often that people have to remove a complete header line. Instead of stealing C-a you should have introduced a previously _unused_ binding for the new behavior. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-02 16:32 ` Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-02 17:59 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-03 7:38 ` Sean Neakums 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-02 17:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: 24th Century Technology Karl Eichwalder <ke@gnu.franken.de> writes: > Instead of stealing C-a you should have introduced a previously > _unused_ binding for the new behavior. C-a already has a similar behavior in other buffers... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-02 16:32 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-02 17:59 ` Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-03 7:38 ` Sean Neakums 2002-05-03 15:05 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-05 13:19 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Sean Neakums @ 2002-05-03 7:38 UTC (permalink / raw) commence Karl Eichwalder quotation: > Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes: >> Then change the binding as suggested in two separate posts, and get >> on with your life. > > Note, it isn't nice to steal default keys. Emacs, for good reason, > is very conservative. This is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. I suppose you go around rebinding TAB to self-insert-command in all your programming modes? -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin <sneakums@zork.net> | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-03 7:38 ` Sean Neakums @ 2002-05-03 15:05 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-03 17:50 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-05 13:19 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-03 15:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes: > I suppose you go around rebinding TAB to self-insert-command in all > your programming modes? Of course, I do not. I'm using Emacs since 18.xx and TAB used to do indentation according to mode all the years and releases. The question simply is: where does a header line start? Some of us think it starts in column 0, others think it starts after ": ". Both parties are "right"; in those case it's good habbit to leave things as are. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-03 15:05 ` Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-03 17:50 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-03 21:23 ` Matt Armstrong 2002-05-03 21:30 ` Matt Armstrong 0 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-03 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Sean Neakums, ding Karl Eichwalder <ke@gnu.franken.de> writes: > The question simply is: where does a header line start? Some of us > think it starts in column 0, others think it starts after ": ". Both > parties are "right"; in those case it's good habbit to leave things as > are. This is not the question, IMHO. The question is, when in a header, what would be a convenient place for C-a to go to? And the current behavior gets you to the colon with one C-a, and to the beginning of the line with two C-a. The old behavior got you to the beginning to the line with one C-a, but getting to the colon was difficult. One could try to make a user option, but given the existence of define-key, this seems a bit superfluous. kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-03 17:50 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-03 21:23 ` Matt Armstrong 2002-05-03 21:30 ` Matt Armstrong 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Matt Armstrong @ 2002-05-03 21:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Karl Eichwalder, Sean Neakums, ding Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > Karl Eichwalder <ke@gnu.franken.de> writes: > >> The question simply is: where does a header line start? Some of us >> think it starts in column 0, others think it starts after ": ". Both >> parties are "right"; in those case it's good habbit to leave things as >> are. > > This is not the question, IMHO. The question is, when in a header, > what would be a convenient place for C-a to go to? And the current > behavior gets you to the colon with one C-a, and to the beginning of > the line with two C-a. The old behavior got you to the beginning to > the line with one C-a, but getting to the colon was difficult. > > One could try to make a user option, but given the existence of > define-key, this seems a bit superfluous. I like the new C-a Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > WINI C-a in body could have added magic, too? In a cited line, it > could go to the end of the ">>" prefix. > > kai > -- > Silence is foo! > -- Don't send mail to Marcia.Smith@hole.lickey.com The address is there for spammers to harvest. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-03 17:50 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-03 21:23 ` Matt Armstrong @ 2002-05-03 21:30 ` Matt Armstrong 2002-05-04 1:19 ` Karl Eichwalder ` (3 more replies) 1 sibling, 4 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Matt Armstrong @ 2002-05-03 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Karl Eichwalder, Sean Neakums, ding (if I've sent this twice, disregard the first and read this one, sorry) Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > Karl Eichwalder <ke@gnu.franken.de> writes: > >> The question simply is: where does a header line start? Some of us >> think it starts in column 0, others think it starts after ": ". Both >> parties are "right"; in those case it's good habbit to leave things as >> are. > > This is not the question, IMHO. The question is, when in a header, > what would be a convenient place for C-a to go to? And the current > behavior gets you to the colon with one C-a, and to the beginning of > the line with two C-a. The old behavior got you to the beginning to > the line with one C-a, but getting to the colon was difficult. > > One could try to make a user option, but given the existence of > define-key, this seems a bit superfluous. I notice that C-a toggles between the end of line and just after the colon. Could we change C-a to go to the beginning of the line first and to the colon when already there? This way you'd do C-a C-a to get the magical behavior and people's hard coded brain pathways would not be strained as hard. I like the magical behavior, but I have found it hard to retrain my brain. I seem to always end up killing a header line while not actually being at the beginning of the line. The other instances of "magical C-a" in Emacs that I'm aware of are all cases where a shell or program prompt is displayed. It arguably never makes sense to go the left past a prompt, while it does make sense to do so in the message header. Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > WINI C-a in body could have added magic, too? In a cited line, it > could go to the end of the ">>" prefix. Ditto Josh's comments here. -- Don't send mail to Marcia.Smith@hole.lickey.com The address is there for spammers to harvest. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-03 21:30 ` Matt Armstrong @ 2002-05-04 1:19 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-04 13:48 ` Sean Neakums ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-04 1:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kai Großjohann, Sean Neakums, ding Matt Armstrong <matt@lickey.com> writes: > Could we change C-a to go to the beginning of the line first and to > the colon when already there? Thanks for your analyses. Yes, I'm all for it. -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.suse.de/~ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-03 21:30 ` Matt Armstrong 2002-05-04 1:19 ` Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-04 13:48 ` Sean Neakums 2002-05-04 14:01 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-05 12:02 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-05 13:29 ` Steinar Bang 3 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Sean Neakums @ 2002-05-04 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw) commence Matt Armstrong quotation: > Could we change C-a to go to the beginning of the line first > and to the colon when already there? This way you'd do C-a C-a to get > the magical behavior and people's hard coded brain pathways would not > be strained as hard. I think it's better that C-a always moves point to the left, or not at all if it's at the beginning of the line. The current behaviour of C-a in header lines is also easily "discoverable" by new users. Who would ever imagine that typing C-a at the beginning of a line would move point to the right? -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin <sneakums@zork.net> | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-04 13:48 ` Sean Neakums @ 2002-05-04 14:01 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-04 14:05 ` Sean Neakums 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-04 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes: > Who would ever imagine that typing C-a at the beginning of a line > would move point to the right? BRIEF users? ;-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-04 14:01 ` Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-04 14:05 ` Sean Neakums 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Sean Neakums @ 2002-05-04 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw) commence Florian Weimer quotation: > Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes: >> Who would ever imagine that typing C-a at the beginning of a line >> would move point to the right? > > BRIEF users? ;-) I knew a BRIEF user once. I finally got an excuse to use up the fava beans I had been keeping. -- ///////////////// | | The spark of a pin <sneakums@zork.net> | (require 'gnu) | dropping, falling feather-like. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | There is too much noise. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-03 21:30 ` Matt Armstrong 2002-05-04 1:19 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-04 13:48 ` Sean Neakums @ 2002-05-05 12:02 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-05 13:29 ` Steinar Bang 3 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-05 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Karl Eichwalder, Sean Neakums, ding Matt Armstrong <matt@lickey.com> writes: > I notice that C-a toggles between the end ITYM beginning? > of line and just after the colon. Could we change C-a to go to the > beginning of the line first and to the colon when already there? Maybe that's a good idea. Though it seems strange for me to see C-a move forward. (I didn't know it was doing that until just now, when I tried.) Hm. kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-03 21:30 ` Matt Armstrong ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-05 12:02 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-05 13:29 ` Steinar Bang 2002-05-05 15:18 ` Simon Josefsson 3 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2002-05-05 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Matt Armstrong <matt@lickey.com>: > I notice that C-a toggles between the end of line and just after the > colon. Could we change C-a to go to the beginning of the line first > and to the colon when already there? This way you'd do C-a C-a to > get the magical behavior and people's hard coded brain pathways > would not be strained as hard. Good suggestion. I'm for it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-05 13:29 ` Steinar Bang @ 2002-05-05 15:18 ` Simon Josefsson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-05-05 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Steinar Bang <sb@dod.no> writes: >>>>>> Matt Armstrong <matt@lickey.com>: > >> I notice that C-a toggles between the end of line and just after the >> colon. Could we change C-a to go to the beginning of the line first >> and to the colon when already there? This way you'd do C-a C-a to >> get the magical behavior and people's hard coded brain pathways >> would not be strained as hard. > > Good suggestion. I'm for it. I like this approach better as well. OTOH, it seems as if Emacs in general is moving away from C-a meaning start of line, so the new message behaviour is consistent with the rest of modern emacs. I like the behaviour in the shell mode, and in minibuffer prompts, but it feels wrong in message mode. The same behaviour could be used when jumping passed quote prefixes as well. C-a goes to start of line, C-a again goes to start of quoted text. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-03 7:38 ` Sean Neakums 2002-05-03 15:05 ` Karl Eichwalder @ 2002-05-05 13:19 ` Steinar Bang 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2002-05-05 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net>: > commence Karl Eichwalder quotation: >> Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes: >>> Then change the binding as suggested in two separate posts, and >>> get on with your life. >> Note, it isn't nice to steal default keys. Emacs, for good reason, >> is very conservative. > This is the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. I don't think it is ridiculous. I think his argument makes perfect sense. The current `C-a' in message mode, breaks with my expectation of `C-a'. I know I can rebind the keybinding, and I even know how to do it. The discussion is about whether the current `C-a' in message mode is a good binding or not. My vote is that it isn't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts [not found] ` <3229150801659975@oakhurst.yi.org> 2002-04-30 11:14 ` Romain FRANCOISE 2002-04-30 11:39 ` Matthieu Moy @ 2002-05-05 13:14 ` Steinar Bang 2 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2002-05-05 13:14 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Thomas Skogestad <tskogest@jusstud.uio.no>: > * Sean Neakums >> Personally, I like that feature. > I hate it. So do I. [snip!] > I either delete a header, or when I edit a header ... I can't think > of a time I've changed the text directly after the colon. AOL! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts [not found] <3229147191814452@oakhurst.yi.org> 2002-04-30 9:34 ` Annoying new features in newer Oorts Sean Neakums @ 2002-04-30 11:10 ` Martin Sandiford 2002-04-30 11:11 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-04-30 13:05 ` Kai Großjohann 3 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Martin Sandiford @ 2002-04-30 11:10 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, tskogest@jusstud.uio.no wrote: > 2. When editing headers in a message buffer, C-a and C-e do not go the > beginning or end of the line, but to the colon. C-e still works the same way, I think. Two C-a in succession will take you to the beginning of the line. Martin -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts [not found] <3229147191814452@oakhurst.yi.org> 2002-04-30 9:34 ` Annoying new features in newer Oorts Sean Neakums 2002-04-30 11:10 ` Martin Sandiford @ 2002-04-30 11:11 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-14 10:48 ` Andreas Fuchs 2002-05-14 14:30 ` Mark Thomas 2002-04-30 13:05 ` Kai Großjohann 3 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-04-30 11:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Thomas Skogestad <tskogest@jusstud.uio.no> writes: > 1. When entering a group buffer, and I specify that I want to read read > messages also, Gnus goes to the first unread message, not to the beginning > of the buffer. There's a variable for this. Hm. It's not gnus-auto-select-first, but similar. Can't remember right now. But I'm sure it's in the GNUS-NEWS file. > 2. When editing headers in a message buffer, C-a and C-e do not go the > beginning or end of the line, but to the colon. You can hit C-a twice to go to the beginning of the line. I really like this feature, because it makes it easy to edit the contents of a header. But maybe that's because I have another keybinding (S-<backspace>) which deletes the current line, so I use that for removing headers. kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-04-30 11:11 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-14 10:48 ` Andreas Fuchs 2002-05-14 14:30 ` Mark Thomas 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Andreas Fuchs @ 2002-05-14 10:48 UTC (permalink / raw) On 2002-04-30, Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@cs.uni-dortmund.de> wrote: > Thomas Skogestad <tskogest@jusstud.uio.no> writes: >> 1. When entering a group buffer, and I specify that I want to read >> read messages also, Gnus goes to the first unread message, not to >> the beginning of the buffer. > There's a variable for this. Hm. It's not gnus-auto-select-first, > but similar. Can't remember right now. But I'm sure it's in the > GNUS-NEWS file. That's strange, it isn't in GNUS-NEWS, and neither could I find it it with apropos. I actually quite liked this feature, but as of recent CVS gnusae, it just doesn't go to the first unread article. It feels like the feature just wasn't ever there. I also grepped through the ChangeLog and CVS logs of gnus-sum, and couldn't find anything. Is there any trace of this feature? (-: Thanks, -- Andreas Fuchs, <asf@acm.org>, asf@jabber.at, antifuchs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-04-30 11:11 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-14 10:48 ` Andreas Fuchs @ 2002-05-14 14:30 ` Mark Thomas 2002-05-14 14:54 ` Andreas Fuchs 2002-05-14 15:24 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Mark Thomas @ 2002-05-14 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Thomas Skogestad, ding On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE wrote: > Thomas Skogestad <tskogest@jusstud.uio.no> writes: > >> 1. When entering a group buffer, and I specify that I want to read >> read messages also, Gnus goes to the first unread message, not >> to the beginning of the buffer. > > There's a variable for this. Hm. It's not gnus-auto-select-first, > but similar. Can't remember right now. But I'm sure it's in the > GNUS-NEWS file. Are you thinking of gnus-auto-select-subject? Documentation: *Says what subject to place under point when entering a group. This variable can either be the symbols `first' (place point on the first subject), `unread' (place point on the subject line of the first unread article), `best' (place point on the subject line of the higest-scored article), `unseen' (place point on the subject line of the first unseen article), 'unseen-or-unread' (place point on the subject line of the first unseen article or, if all article have been seen, on the subject line of the first unread article), or a function to be called to place point on some subject line. -Mark ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-14 14:30 ` Mark Thomas @ 2002-05-14 14:54 ` Andreas Fuchs 2002-05-14 15:24 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Andreas Fuchs @ 2002-05-14 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 498 bytes --] Today, Mark Thomas <swoon@bellatlantic.net> wrote: >> There's a variable for this. Hm. It's not gnus-auto-select-first, >> but similar. Can't remember right now. But I'm sure it's in the >> GNUS-NEWS file. > > Are you thinking of gnus-auto-select-subject? > Yes, and I now know why it had just went away. I have had an old version of CVS gnus lying around (Oort v0.04), and didn't notice it. Silly me. Thanks a lot, -- Andreas Fuchs, <asf@acm.org>, asf@jabber.at, antifuchs [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 188 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts 2002-05-14 14:30 ` Mark Thomas 2002-05-14 14:54 ` Andreas Fuchs @ 2002-05-14 15:24 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-14 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Thomas Skogestad, ding Mark Thomas <swoon@bellatlantic.net> writes: > Are you thinking of gnus-auto-select-subject? Thank you! That's it. kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Annoying new features in newer Oorts [not found] <3229147191814452@oakhurst.yi.org> ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-04-30 11:11 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-04-30 13:05 ` Kai Großjohann 3 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-04-30 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Thomas Skogestad <tskogest@jusstud.uio.no> writes: > 2. When editing headers in a message buffer, C-a and C-e do not go the > beginning or end of the line, but to the colon. (require 'message) (define-key message-mode-map (kbd "C-a") nil) kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2002-05-14 15:24 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 29+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- [not found] <3229147191814452@oakhurst.yi.org> 2002-04-30 9:34 ` Annoying new features in newer Oorts Sean Neakums [not found] ` <3229150801659975@oakhurst.yi.org> 2002-04-30 11:14 ` Romain FRANCOISE 2002-04-30 11:53 ` Fabien Penso 2002-04-30 11:39 ` Matthieu Moy 2002-04-30 11:48 ` Sean Neakums [not found] ` <3229343185064781@oakhurst.yi.org> 2002-05-02 15:49 ` Sean Neakums 2002-05-02 16:32 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-02 17:59 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-03 7:38 ` Sean Neakums 2002-05-03 15:05 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-03 17:50 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-03 21:23 ` Matt Armstrong 2002-05-03 21:30 ` Matt Armstrong 2002-05-04 1:19 ` Karl Eichwalder 2002-05-04 13:48 ` Sean Neakums 2002-05-04 14:01 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-04 14:05 ` Sean Neakums 2002-05-05 12:02 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-05 13:29 ` Steinar Bang 2002-05-05 15:18 ` Simon Josefsson 2002-05-05 13:19 ` Steinar Bang 2002-05-05 13:14 ` Steinar Bang 2002-04-30 11:10 ` Martin Sandiford 2002-04-30 11:11 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-14 10:48 ` Andreas Fuchs 2002-05-14 14:30 ` Mark Thomas 2002-05-14 14:54 ` Andreas Fuchs 2002-05-14 15:24 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-04-30 13:05 ` Kai Großjohann
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