* how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed @ 1996-02-20 14:58 Greg Stark 1996-02-20 23:05 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Greg Stark @ 1996-02-20 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw) I'm not sure I understand what's going here, i think that if I have have: gnus-save-killed-list nil gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server then Gnus doesn't know about any killed groups so when i use `j' or `U' it completes to just the groups I am subscribed to or are zombie groups. I'm not sure the value of check-new-newsgroups is relevant, but I think save-killed-list is. I'm not sure what the solution to this problem is, setting save-killed-list makes my 16k newsrc bloat to 221k. I would prefer to have F or C-u F make Gnus read the active file and after that have `j' and `U' and their ilk dtrt. greg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-20 14:58 how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed Greg Stark @ 1996-02-20 23:05 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-02-21 19:24 ` Patrick J. LoPresti 1996-02-21 19:49 ` Greg Stark 0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-02-20 23:05 UTC (permalink / raw) gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: > I'm not sure I understand what's going here, i think that if I have have: > gnus-save-killed-list nil > gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server > > then Gnus doesn't know about any killed groups so when i use `j' or > `U' it completes to just the groups I am subscribed to or are zombie > groups. I'm not sure the value of check-new-newsgroups is relevant, > but I think save-killed-list is. Well, the "solution" is to set `gnus-read-active-file' to t. This will make startup slower, though. One way or another, Gnus has to know what groups are available. Either it must save the list of killed groups, or it must read the active file if you want to be able to do this sort of thing. -- "Yes. The journey through the human heart would have to wait until some other time." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-20 23:05 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-02-21 19:24 ` Patrick J. LoPresti 1996-02-21 20:42 ` Shane Holder 1996-02-22 1:12 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-02-21 19:49 ` Greg Stark 1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Patrick J. LoPresti @ 1996-02-21 19:24 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "larsi" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes: larsi> gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: >> I'm not sure I understand what's going here, i think that if I >> have have: gnus-save-killed-list nil gnus-check-new-newsgroups >> 'ask-server >> >> then Gnus doesn't know about any killed groups so when i use `j' >> or `U' it completes to just the groups I am subscribed to or are >> zombie groups. I'm not sure the value of check-new-newsgroups is >> relevant, but I think save-killed-list is. larsi> Well, the "solution" is to set `gnus-read-active-file' to t. larsi> This will make startup slower, though. larsi> One way or another, Gnus has to know what groups are larsi> available. Either it must save the list of killed groups, or larsi> it must read the active file if you want to be able to do this larsi> sort of thing. Perhaps there should be a way to ask Gnus to read the active file explicitly? The only time I need the active file read is when subscribing to new groups, which isn't very often. Thanks! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMStxMHr7ES8bepftAQG+8AQAra8AwOy7mWv0L9yo0JmaEjjT7EvfBsLH Wmt07Gx1icoNgnn6imwFXlA2vKxFthO/NkPfB7VEqfDRf5rhvQNFrdT6fiigJV9Y xLJtyuwo50cn8RcH3zGogl72kLihCjX4VvHqMFwR0V1/TMDJm9FY1TjU7jUoIuKq Ji1+dbyEgio= =etyk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-21 19:24 ` Patrick J. LoPresti @ 1996-02-21 20:42 ` Shane Holder 1996-02-21 21:11 ` Patrick J. LoPresti 1996-02-22 1:12 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Shane Holder @ 1996-02-21 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> ""Patrick" == "Patrick J LoPresti" <patl@eiffel.lcs.mit.edu> writes: >>>>> "larsi" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes: larsi> gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: >>> I'm not sure I understand what's going here, i think that if I >>> have have: gnus-save-killed-list nil gnus-check-new-newsgroups >>> 'ask-server >>> then Gnus doesn't know about any killed groups so when i use `j' >>> or `U' it completes to just the groups I am subscribed to or are >>> zombie groups. I'm not sure the value of check-new-newsgroups is >>> relevant, but I think save-killed-list is. larsi> Well, the "solution" is to set `gnus-read-active-file' to t. larsi> This will make startup slower, though. larsi> One way or another, Gnus has to know what groups are larsi> available. Either it must save the list of killed groups, or larsi> it must read the active file if you want to be able to do this larsi> sort of thing. "Patrick> Perhaps there should be a way to ask Gnus to read the active file "Patrick> explicitly? The only time I need the active file read is when "Patrick> subscribing to new groups, which isn't very often. Maybe I don't understand what y'all are talking about, but here goes anyway. I've got gnus-check-new-newsgroups set to 'ask-server, gnus-save-killed-list to nil, and gnus-read-active-file to nil. Gnus will ask the nntp server for new newsgroups (new groups are those that have been created on your server between a specified time period not new to your .newsrc) , and add those groups to the zombie list. You can get the zombie by using `A z' this will get you new newsgroups. You can get the list of all killed groups by using `C-u A k', this will force gnus to read the active file. I think the server needs to support the newgroups command for the newgroups stuff to work. Check by the following telnet <newshost> nntp help You should see a command like newgroups yymmdd hhmmss ["GMT"] [<distributions>] Anyhow, that's how I do it, if I've totally missed the point, sorry. Shane -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shane Holder | e-mail: holder@convex.com Convex Computer Corp | phone: (214)497-4182 3000 Waterview | Ignorance isn't so bad, as long as it's not Richardson, TX 75083 | accompanied by stupidity. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-21 20:42 ` Shane Holder @ 1996-02-21 21:11 ` Patrick J. LoPresti 1996-02-21 22:16 ` Shane Holder 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Patrick J. LoPresti @ 1996-02-21 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- holder> Maybe I don't understand what y'all are talking about, but holder> here goes anyway. holder> I've got gnus-check-new-newsgroups set to 'ask-server, holder> gnus-save-killed-list to nil, and gnus-read-active-file to holder> nil. holder> Gnus will ask the nntp server for new newsgroups (new groups holder> are those that have been created on your server between a holder> specified time period not new to your .newsrc) , and add holder> those groups to the zombie list. You can get the zombie by holder> using `A z' this will get you new newsgroups. You can get holder> the list of all killed groups by using `C-u A k', this will holder> force gnus to read the active file. This doesn't happen for me, using Gnus 5.0.13. Given the earlier messages in this thread, I assumed the behavior had not changed... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMSuKjnr7ES8bepftAQGWGgQAqosRxa0bkeohDduGbSiy3xY+6bT2YBYI TKu+SboRdDoJagfUBtmhzKDFPoQ9NVjb1nfICvBniZP8pIdKINCBE3t98JAuCyw+ OPljkyWifG0fcryAH14fRm5lnqCZaaWuVrVT3TC6PLfW2IzwjK4a7CT2t8Ls1QMI s6tMZuvBELs= =Itsg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-21 21:11 ` Patrick J. LoPresti @ 1996-02-21 22:16 ` Shane Holder 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Shane Holder @ 1996-02-21 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> ""Patrick" == "Patrick J LoPresti" <patl@eiffel.lcs.mit.edu> writes: "Patrick> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- holder> Gnus will ask the nntp server for new newsgroups (new groups holder> are those that have been created on your server between a holder> specified time period not new to your .newsrc) , and add holder> those groups to the zombie list. You can get the zombie by holder> using `A z' this will get you new newsgroups. You can get holder> the list of all killed groups by using `C-u A k', this will holder> force gnus to read the active file. Patrick> This doesn't happen for me, using Gnus 5.0.13. Given the earlier Patrick> messages in this thread, I assumed the behavior had not changed... Ahh, there's the problem. I noticed that `C-u A k' was broken in some version of sgnus, and it was later fixed. It's possible that it's also broken in 5.x.x. If you're willing, give sgnus a shot, it's working fine for me. You might even be able to replace the function gnus-group-list-killed in 5.0.13 with the one in sgnus-0.40, but I wouldn't bet on it working. Shane -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shane Holder | e-mail: holder@convex.com Convex Computer Corp | phone: (214)497-4182 3000 Waterview | Ignorance isn't so bad, as long as it's not Richardson, TX 75083 | accompanied by stupidity. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-21 19:24 ` Patrick J. LoPresti 1996-02-21 20:42 ` Shane Holder @ 1996-02-22 1:12 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-02-22 1:12 UTC (permalink / raw) "Patrick J. LoPresti" <patl@eiffel.lcs.mit.edu> writes: > Perhaps there should be a way to ask Gnus to read the active file > explicitly? The only time I need the active file read is when > subscribing to new groups, which isn't very often. Whether the active file is read at all depends on what your `gnus-read-active-file' variable is. If it is t, the active file is read each time you press `g'. `C-u g' forces reading the active file no matter what that variable is. -- "Yes. The journey through the human heart would have to wait until some other time." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-20 23:05 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-02-21 19:24 ` Patrick J. LoPresti @ 1996-02-21 19:49 ` Greg Stark 1996-02-22 6:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Greg Stark @ 1996-02-21 19:49 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: > Well, the "solution" is to set `gnus-read-active-file' to t. This will make > startup slower, though. > One way or another, Gnus has to know what groups are available. Either it > must save the list of killed groups, or it must read the active file if you > want to be able to do this sort of thing. I currently have: (setq gnus-read-active-file t) (setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups '((nntp "news.mit.edu") (nnml ""))) (setq gnus-save-killed-list nil) Commands like ``A m'' only list subscribed and unsuscribed groups. No command seems to know about any killed groups. greg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-21 19:49 ` Greg Stark @ 1996-02-22 6:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-02-28 7:41 ` Greg Stark 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-02-22 6:01 UTC (permalink / raw) gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: > Commands like ``A m'' only list subscribed and unsuscribed groups. `9 A m' should list all groups, dead or alive. -- "Yes. The journey through the human heart would have to wait until some other time." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-22 6:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-02-28 7:41 ` Greg Stark 1996-02-29 8:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Greg Stark @ 1996-02-28 7:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding > > I currently have: > > (setq gnus-read-active-file t) > > (setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups '((nntp "news.mit.edu") (nnml ""))) > > (setq gnus-save-killed-list nil) > > Commands like ``A m'' only list subscribed and unsuscribed groups. > `9 A m' should list all groups, dead or alive. nope, doesn't work. I only get live groups. I think A A lists everything, as does completing on commands like `U' and `j' Ideally I would like to set gnus-read-active-file to 'some. In that case I would expect it to show only groups it has heard about; but i would expect some command to force it to read the active file (`F' maybe?) and subsequent `A m' commands should work. greg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-28 7:41 ` Greg Stark @ 1996-02-29 8:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-02-29 15:59 ` Greg Stark 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-02-29 8:57 UTC (permalink / raw) gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: > > `9 A m' should list all groups, dead or alive. > > nope, doesn't work. I only get live groups. > I think A A lists everything, as does completing on commands like > `U' and `j' Ideally I would like to set gnus-read-active-file to > 'some. In that case I would expect it to show only groups it has > heard about; but i would expect some command to force it to read the > active file (`F' maybe?) and subsequent `A m' commands should work. `C-u g' forces a reading of the entire active file, which will make subsequent `A m' commands list more groups. -- "Yes. The journey through the human heart would have to wait until some other time." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-29 8:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-02-29 15:59 ` Greg Stark 1996-03-01 9:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Greg Stark @ 1996-02-29 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: > [...]> > `9 A m' should list all groups, dead or alive. >> nope, doesn't work. I only get live groups. > `C-u g' forces a reading of the entire active file, which will make > subsequent `A m' commands list more groups. Great, except that right now i still have gnus-read-active-file set to T and commands like `A m' don't work, they don't work after C-u g either. for example: A m comp.lang gives this *Group* buffer: 4521 3: comp.lang.java 4090 3: comp.lang.c greg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-02-29 15:59 ` Greg Stark @ 1996-03-01 9:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-03-01 19:23 ` Greg Stark 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-03-01 9:04 UTC (permalink / raw) gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: > > [...]> > `9 A m' should list all groups, dead or alive. > >> nope, doesn't work. I only get live groups. > > > `C-u g' forces a reading of the entire active file, which will make > > subsequent `A m' commands list more groups. > > Great, except that right now i still have gnus-read-active-file set to T and > commands like `A m' don't work, they don't work after C-u g either. That's `9 A m' or `9 A M'. Just `A m' will list only subscribed groups. -- "Yes. The journey through the human heart would have to wait until some other time." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-03-01 9:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-03-01 19:23 ` Greg Stark 1996-03-17 13:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Greg Stark @ 1996-03-01 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding 9 A m doesn't work, it doesn't show any killed groups. greg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-03-01 19:23 ` Greg Stark @ 1996-03-17 13:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-03-17 15:10 ` Thomas Neumann 1996-03-19 3:34 ` Greg Stark 0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-03-17 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw) gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: > 9 A m doesn't work, it doesn't show any killed groups. That's true. Should it list all active groups, though? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-03-17 13:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-03-17 15:10 ` Thomas Neumann 1996-03-19 3:34 ` Greg Stark 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Thomas Neumann @ 1996-03-17 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding > > > 9 A m doesn't work, it doesn't show any killed groups. > > That's true. Should it list all active groups, though? At 9 am almost nothing works, for that matter ;-) -t ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-03-17 13:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-03-17 15:10 ` Thomas Neumann @ 1996-03-19 3:34 ` Greg Stark 1996-03-24 0:34 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Greg Stark @ 1996-03-19 3:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: >> 9 A m doesn't work, it doesn't show any killed groups. > That's true. Should it list all active groups, though? Well I would like to subscribe to a bunch of newsgroups; say i've taken a sudden interest in comp.lang newsgroups. I want to hit 9Amcomp.lang and then just subscribe and kill groups as desired. Currently i can do that if I have some settings of -SAVE-KILLED and -READ-ACTIVE-FILE, but i don't know which combinations. And if it doesn't start with enough information, even commands like -FIND-NEW-NEWSGROUPS won't make it start working. This seems inconsistent and undesirable. I admit doing LIST-ACTIVE seemed really slow, i guess active-file parsing is one place to look for speed optimizations. greg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-03-19 3:34 ` Greg Stark @ 1996-03-24 0:34 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 1996-03-29 0:08 ` Greg Stark 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-03-24 0:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen, ding gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: > Well I would like to subscribe to a bunch of newsgroups; > say i've taken a sudden interest in comp.lang newsgroups. > I want to hit 9Amcomp.lang and then just subscribe and kill > groups as desired. > > Currently i can do that if I have some settings of -SAVE-KILLED > and -READ-ACTIVE-FILE, but i don't know which combinations. > And if it doesn't start with enough information, even commands > like -FIND-NEW-NEWSGROUPS won't make it start working. > > This seems inconsistent and undesirable. I admit doing LIST-ACTIVE seemed > really slow, i guess active-file parsing is one place to look for speed > optimizations. No, parsing the active file is quite fast. Reading it is *slow*; it's typically ~300kb long. `A m' lists groups on various levels, and groups that aren't subscribed, zombies, killed or unsubscribed aren't on any levels. Perhaps we should add a level 10 for these groups? `1 0 A m' would then work as one would suppose. On the other hand, one could just add a regexp parameter to `gnus-group-list-active' -- `A A'. `C-u A A comp.lang RET' would then do the trick. I've added this to the Red Gnus todo list. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-03-24 0:34 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-03-29 0:08 ` Greg Stark 1996-03-29 16:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Greg Stark @ 1996-03-29 0:08 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: , ding Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes: > gsstark@MIT.EDU (Greg Stark) writes: > > Well I would like to subscribe to a bunch of newsgroups; > > say i've taken a sudden interest in comp.lang newsgroups. > > I want to hit 9Amcomp.lang and then just subscribe and kill > > groups as desired. > > `A m' lists groups on various levels, and groups that aren't > subscribed, zombies, killed or unsubscribed aren't on any levels. > Perhaps we should add a level 10 for these groups? `1 0 A m' would > then work as one would suppose. well, i don't think it would be worthwhile having zombie groups, killed groups, and not alive groups. I think once Gnus knows about these groups they should be thrown into the killed list. Gnus should know about them after i use `F' or if i have read-active set to t Incidentally it seems to me like the semantics of F are backwards. it should use the values of gnus-check-new-newsgroups and gnus-read-active-file unless i tell it with a C-u to do it the long way reading the active file. greg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: how do you subscribe to new groups if I don't save-killed 1996-03-29 0:08 ` Greg Stark @ 1996-03-29 16:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 1996-03-29 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Greg Stark <gsstark@fierce-bad-rabbit.MIT.EDU> writes: > well, i don't think it would be worthwhile having zombie groups, > killed groups, and not alive groups. I think once Gnus knows about these > groups they should be thrown into the killed list. I agree in principle. The only thing is that Gnus typically knows about 10k groups. Building a 10k element list at the drop of a hat is not something that you want to see Gnus do. (Gross bloatage and it would be much too slow.) > Incidentally it seems to me like the semantics of F are > backwards. it should use the values of gnus-check-new-newsgroups and > gnus-read-active-file unless i tell it with a C-u to do it the long > way reading the active file. Well, I think that when people push `F', they generally really want to get all possible new files. `C-u F' is a more lightweight version of the same. Seems natural to me, even though it works the opposite way compared with, uhm, comparable functions. -- "Yes. The journey through the human heart would have to wait until some other time." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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