Discussion of Homotopy Type Theory and Univalent Foundations
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From: Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine <p.l.lumsdaine@gmail.com>
To: Ulrik Buchholtz <ulrikbuchholtz@gmail.com>
Cc: HomotopyTypeTheory@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HoTT] Re: Precategories, Categories and Univalent categories
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 12:09:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAkwb-k8aKxP6N8yjOtwMCbXm8iExr5SGgeWbuobbhOKCEXb5Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c553ba0-2181-44ec-b790-969a8115ea1f@googlegroups.com>

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Ulrik’s email nicely lays out the three key notions (pre-category, strict
category, univalent category), and the argument for the
Ahrens–Kapulkin–Shulman / HoTT book terminology, with “category” meaning
“univalent category” by default.

For my part I lean the other way: I think it’s too radical to use
“category” for a definition which doesn’t come out equivalent to the
traditional definition under the naïve set interpretation (or under the
addition of UIP to the type theory).  Choosing terminology that actively
clashes with traditional terminology makes it much harder to compare
statements in HoTT with their classical analogues, and see what difference
HoTT really makes to the development of topics.

Based on that criterion, I strongly prefer taking category to mean
“precategory”.  A big payoff from this is that if you formalise something
using “category ” to mean “precategory” in type theory without assuming UA,
then you can read the result either as valid in HoTT, or (under the
set-interpretation) as ordinary arguments in classical category theory,
with all the terms meaning just what they traditionally would.

Univalence of categories is an important and powerful property, but not an
innocuous one; it changes the character of the resulting “category theory”
in interesting ways.  Making the restriction to univalent categories tacit
is misleading to readers who aren’t fully “insiders”, and obscures
understanding its effects.

–p.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-07 11:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-07 10:03 [HoTT] " Ali Caglayan
2018-11-07 10:31 ` [HoTT] " Paolo Capriotti
2018-11-07 10:35 ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 10:37   ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 11:09   ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine [this message]
2018-11-07 11:43     ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 11:50       ` Erik Palmgren
2018-11-07 11:51       ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 12:03         ` Erik Palmgren
2018-11-07 12:21           ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-07 13:00             ` Erik Palmgren
2018-11-07 13:02             ` Bas Spitters
2018-11-07 13:47               ` Ali Caglayan
2018-11-07 13:53               ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-07 14:05                 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 13:58       ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 14:14         ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 14:27           ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
     [not found]             ` <CAOvivQyG1q9=3YoS8hX3bRQK0yi+mpBnJu+rqb3oon0uPLpZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-07 20:01               ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-08 21:37               ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-08 21:43                 ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-09  4:43                   ` Andrew Polonsky
2018-11-09 10:18                     ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-09 10:57                       ` Paolo Capriotti
2018-11-07 14:31           ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 14:05       ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2018-11-07 14:28         ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 15:35           ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-07 16:54             ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 16:56               ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 17:31                 ` Eric Finster
2018-11-08 11:58               ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 12:23                 ` [HoTT] " Emily Riehl
2018-11-08 12:28                   ` Emily Riehl
2018-11-08 14:01                     ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 16:10                   ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 14:38                 ` [HoTT] " Michael Shulman
2018-11-08 21:08                   ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 21:30                     ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-09 11:56                       ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-09 13:46                         ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-09 15:06                           ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 16:01                 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-08 19:39                   ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 20:00         ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-08 21:35 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó

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