Discussion of Homotopy Type Theory and Univalent Foundations
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From: Andrew Polonsky <andrew.polonsky@gmail.com>
To: Homotopy Type Theory <HomotopyTypeTheory@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [HoTT] Re: Precategories, Categories and Univalent categories
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:43:15 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c18e0ccd-c6e8-463f-acef-c9652534e73d@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOvivQxde2fnhbVGegjU0Fc7+jn+--EMXkjdNAuNyhxQFbN6Rw@mail.gmail.com>


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The intuitive notion of a category is given by the dependently-sorted 
algebraic theory of categories.

In the ZFC metatheory, a standard model of this theory yields the usual 
mathematical concept of a category.

In the MLTT metatheory, a standard model of this theory yields the concept 
of a precategory.

The subtle issue is how to treat the equality predicate, appearing in the 
identity and associativity axioms.

In set theory, equality is a former of atomic formulae, which are a 
different syntactic category than sets (which interpret the types/domains 
of the given language).

In type theory, equality is interpreted as any other type, in accordance 
with "the formulae-as-types notion of construction".

However, more modern type theories, like HoTT or CubicalTT, have a 
different, "native" conception of equality, so the "natural" notion of 
category in these theories will accordingly be different as well.

One day, there might be a metatheory which is generally accepted as 
providing a superior "natural" notion of a category, that avoids the 
awkward points of the set-theoretic one.

Until then, it is best to be precise with language, always being explicit 
which specific concept is meant.

Cheers,
Andrew

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-09  4:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-07 10:03 [HoTT] " Ali Caglayan
2018-11-07 10:31 ` [HoTT] " Paolo Capriotti
2018-11-07 10:35 ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 10:37   ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 11:09   ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2018-11-07 11:43     ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 11:50       ` Erik Palmgren
2018-11-07 11:51       ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 12:03         ` Erik Palmgren
2018-11-07 12:21           ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-07 13:00             ` Erik Palmgren
2018-11-07 13:02             ` Bas Spitters
2018-11-07 13:47               ` Ali Caglayan
2018-11-07 13:53               ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-07 14:05                 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 13:58       ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 14:14         ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 14:27           ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
     [not found]             ` <CAOvivQyG1q9=3YoS8hX3bRQK0yi+mpBnJu+rqb3oon0uPLpZ4A@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-07 20:01               ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-08 21:37               ` Martín Hötzel Escardó
2018-11-08 21:43                 ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-09  4:43                   ` Andrew Polonsky [this message]
2018-11-09 10:18                     ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-09 10:57                       ` Paolo Capriotti
2018-11-07 14:31           ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 14:05       ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2018-11-07 14:28         ` Ulrik Buchholtz
2018-11-07 15:35           ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-07 16:54             ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 16:56               ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 17:31                 ` Eric Finster
2018-11-08 11:58               ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 12:23                 ` [HoTT] " Emily Riehl
2018-11-08 12:28                   ` Emily Riehl
2018-11-08 14:01                     ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 16:10                   ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 14:38                 ` [HoTT] " Michael Shulman
2018-11-08 21:08                   ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 21:30                     ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-09 11:56                       ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-09 13:46                         ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-09 15:06                           ` Thomas Streicher
2018-11-08 16:01                 ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-08 19:39                   ` Thorsten Altenkirch
2018-11-07 20:00         ` Michael Shulman
2018-11-08 21:35 ` Martín Hötzel Escardó

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