References formatting (m-bib related problems)

References formatting (m-bib related problems)

[Renaud AUBIN]

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Hi all,


At first, I use m-bib-beta-20060208.zip. Up to now, I used:

\setupbibtex[database=biblio,sort=author]
\setuppublications[alternative=num-fr,sorttype=bbl,numbering=yes]

%% In order to format Names with small capitals:
\def\mynormalauthor#1#2#3#4#5%
{\bibdoif{#1}{#1\bibalternative{firstnamesep}}%
\bibdoif{#2}{#2\bibalternative{vonsep}}%
\bgroup\sc#3\egroup\bibalternative{surnamesep}\unskip
\bibdoif{#5}{#5\unskip}}

\setuppublicationlist
  [artauthor=\mynormalauthor,
   editor=\mynormalauthor,
   author=\mynormalauthor]


Everything works fine, but now I would use apa-fr and I have some
problems. After discussing this topic with Taco on #context, I have
tried the following code:
% \cite[name00] should return [Name, 2000]
\unprotect\def\mybibcommand#1{\expanded{\cite[\@@pbk]}~~} \protect
\setupbibtex[database=biblio,sort=author]
\setuppublications[alternative=apa,sorttype=bbl,numbercommand=\mybibcommand,
numbering=yes,autohang=yes]

\setupcite[authoryears][left={[},right={]}]

So, just forget to format the authors with normalauthor & small
capitals.... It's ok for the cite command but labels of the references
listing is wrong (each label are the same and correspond in fact to the
last entry ! )... Any idea ???

Add to this the fact that I don't like the formatting of the year ->
(1999). Since I like the formatting applied with num-fr, how to
reproduce it with apa-fr.
(I have tested apa and apa-fr and it gives same results in either)

Cheers,

Renaud





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Re: References formatting (m-bib related problems)

[Renaud AUBIN]

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It's confirmed: same problems with t-bib-2006.03.13.zip

( Please Taco, is it possible to remove leftover "year needed" messages ? )

Renaud AUBIN a écrit :

>Hi all,
>
>
>At first, I use m-bib-beta-20060208.zip. Up to now, I used:
>
>\setupbibtex[database=biblio,sort=author]
>\setuppublications[alternative=num-fr,sorttype=bbl,numbering=yes]
>
>%% In order to format Names with small capitals:
>\def\mynormalauthor#1#2#3#4#5%
>{\bibdoif{#1}{#1\bibalternative{firstnamesep}}%
>\bibdoif{#2}{#2\bibalternative{vonsep}}%
>\bgroup\sc#3\egroup\bibalternative{surnamesep}\unskip
>\bibdoif{#5}{#5\unskip}}
>
>\setuppublicationlist
>  [artauthor=\mynormalauthor,
>   editor=\mynormalauthor,
>   author=\mynormalauthor]
>
>
>Everything works fine, but now I would use apa-fr and I have some
>problems. After discussing this topic with Taco on #context, I have
>tried the following code:
>% \cite[name00] should return [Name, 2000]
>\unprotect\def\mybibcommand#1{\expanded{\cite[\@@pbk]}~~} \protect
>\setupbibtex[database=biblio,sort=author]
>\setuppublications[alternative=apa,sorttype=bbl,numbercommand=\mybibcommand,
>numbering=yes,autohang=yes]
>
>\setupcite[authoryears][left={[},right={]}]
>
>So, just forget to format the authors with normalauthor & small
>capitals.... It's ok for the cite command but labels of the references
>listing is wrong (each label are the same and correspond in fact to the
>last entry ! )... Any idea ???
>
>Add to this the fact that I don't like the formatting of the year ->
>(1999). Since I like the formatting applied with num-fr, how to
>reproduce it with apa-fr.
>(I have tested apa and apa-fr and it gives same results in either)
>
>Cheers,
>
>Renaud
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: References formatting (m-bib related problems)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> It's confirmed: same problems with t-bib-2006.03.13.zip

About the overall formatting: have you tried using num-fr
together with \setuppublications[refcommand=authoryears] ?

I'll try to have a look at your labelling request today or
tomorrow, but I cannot promise.

> ( Please Taco, is it possible to remove leftover "year needed" messages ? )

The are gone in the version I sent Hans for the next
context release (that will be real soon now, i hope)

Cheers,

Taco

Re: References formatting (m-bib related problems)

[Renaud AUBIN]

Hi Taco,

Taco Hoekwater a écrit :

>About the overall formatting: have you tried using num-fr
>together with \setuppublications[refcommand=authoryears] ?
>  
>
Ok, formatting is better with
\setuppublications[alternative=num-fr,sorttype=bbl,numbering=yes]

>I'll try to have a look at your labelling request today or
>tomorrow, but I cannot promise.
>
I have not checked but I think I have already submitted this problem 2
or 3 months ago when I began to play with ConTeXt & m-bib... To all: Am
I the only one who want to do this kind of bib formatting ??? I think
LaTeX + bibTeX do that by default with apa style... IMHO, it's a key
feature...

Cheers,

Renaud

Re: References formatting (m-bib related problems)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> I have not checked but I think I have already submitted this problem 2
> or 3 months ago when I began to play with ConTeXt & m-bib... To all: Am
> I the only one who want to do this kind of bib formatting ??? I think
> LaTeX + bibTeX do that by default with apa style... IMHO, it's a key
> feature...

If you want the bib module to do it's formatting a certain way, send
me an example of input & desired output. I do not know what "LaTeX +
bibTeX do that by default with apa style", nor do I especially want
to learn precisely what it does, just so I can mimic it for the bib
module in case someone needs ConTeXt to behave exactly like LaTeX.

The formatting in "bibl-apa" is taken from the guidelines on
the http://www.apastyle.org website. If that is actually wrong,
I do not know where to look instead.

Greetings, Taco

Re: References formatting (m-bib related problems)

[Renaud AUBIN]

Taco Hoekwater a écrit :

>If you want the bib module to do it's formatting a certain way, send
>me an example of input & desired output.
>
Ok, see http://renojrl.lrv.uvsq.fr/bibsample.pdf (extracted from an old
report made in 2003 with a hacked bst based on
http://www.irit.fr/~Gael.Jaffre/LOGICIELS/LATEX_BIBTEX/MODIF_GAEL/frcomplet.bst)

I have just used normal \cite calls + a standard bib file...

> I do not know what "LaTeX +
>bibTeX do that by default with apa style", nor do I especially want
>to learn precisely what it does, just so I can mimic it for the bib
>module in case someone needs ConTeXt to behave exactly like LaTeX.
>
>  
>
I have checked, this is not at all the default behaviour of
LaTeX+bibTeX, sorry...

>The formatting in "bibl-apa" is taken from the guidelines on
>the http://www.apastyle.org website. If that is actually wrong,
>I do not know where to look instead.
>
>  
>
You're right, using guidelines is the best approach. Ok, my wishes are
not in respect with the "standards".

>Greetings, Taco
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