French punctuation: improvement needed

French punctuation: improvement needed

[Renaud AUBIN]

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Hi all,

For my french document, I use:

\def\activateSomeCharacters{%
  \defineactivecharacter ! {\,\string!}%
  \defineactivecharacter ? {\,\string?}%
  \defineactivecharacter : {\,\string:}%
  \defineactivecharacter ; {\,\string;}}
\activateSomeCharacters
\appendtoks\activateSomeCharacters\to\everystarttext

in my environment, but there is a problem:

If the input is "test:", the result is correct but if the input is "test
:" (with a space between test and :) the output space between test and :
is too large (I assume a normal space + \,)
Is this possible to get this def smarter ?

Cheers,

Renaud


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Re: French punctuation: improvement needed

[Taco Hoekwater]

Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> 
> Is this possible to get this def smarter ?

   \defineactivecharacter : {\removelastspace \,\string:}

Cheers, Taco

Re: French punctuation: improvement needed

[Hans Hagen]

Renaud AUBIN wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> For my french document, I use:
>
> \def\activateSomeCharacters{%
>   \defineactivecharacter ! {\,\string!}%
>   \defineactivecharacter ? {\,\string?}%
>   \defineactivecharacter : {\,\string:}%
>   \defineactivecharacter ; {\,\string;}}
> \activateSomeCharacters
> \appendtoks\activateSomeCharacters\to\everystarttext
>
> in my environment, but there is a problem:
>
> If the input is "test:", the result is correct but if the input is 
> "test :" (with a space between test and :) the output space between 
> test and : is too large (I assume a normal space + \,)
> Is this possible to get this def smarter ?
do you use \useencoding[ffr]? 

Hans 

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Re: French punctuation: improvement needed

[Renaud AUBIN]

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Yes, in my product I use:

\enableregime[il9]
\useencoding[ffr]
\mainlanguage[fr]

just before \startproduct

Taco's def works fine...

Renaud

>do you use \useencoding[ffr]? 
>
>Hans 
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Re: French punctuation: improvement needed

[Hans Hagen]

Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> Yes, in my product I use:
>
> \enableregime[il9]
> \useencoding[ffr]
> \mainlanguage[fr]
>
> just before \startproduct
>
> Taco's def works fine...
but why do you need defs at all 

Hans

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Re: French punctuation: improvement needed

[Renaud AUBIN]

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Hans Hagen a écrit :

>but why do you need defs at all 
>
>Hans
>  
>
Because if I don't use this def, I don't obtain correct spacing (i.e. no
space between the word and { ;, :, !, ? } ) !

Considering this sample:

\setupoutput[pdftex]

\enableregime[il9]
\useencoding[ffr]
\mainlanguage[fr]

\starttext
Essai: est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?

Essai : est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?

Essai : est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte ?

Peut-être bien que oui ! Peut-être que non!
\stoptext

The output returns:

Essai: est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?

Essai: est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?

Essai: est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?

Peut-être bien que oui! Peut-être que non!

...

Renaud

with:

TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005

               texexec : TeXExec 5.4.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
               texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2006
                   tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.30.6-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5)
               context : ver: 2006.03.25 13:21
               cont-en : ver: 2006.03.25 13:21  fmt: 2006.4.4  mes: english



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Re: French punctuation: improvement needed

[Renaud AUBIN]

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I remember that french punctuation worked well in the past, then it
doesn't work anymore... At this time, I thought that my problem are due
to my document and correct the problem with the first def, then forget
and think about other problems...

See [NTG-context] French punctuation spacing not working anymore   
(2006.02.15)

Renaud

Hans Hagen a écrit :

>Renaud AUBIN wrote:
>  
>
>>Yes, in my product I use:
>>
>>\enableregime[il9]
>>\useencoding[ffr]
>>\mainlanguage[fr]
>>
>>just before \startproduct
>>
>>Taco's def works fine...
>>    
>>
>but why do you need defs at all 
>
>Hans
>
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Re: French punctuation: improvement needed

[Hans Hagen]

Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> Hans Hagen a écrit :
>> but why do you need defs at all 
>>
>> Hans
>>   
> Because if I don't use this def, I don't obtain correct spacing (i.e. 
> no space between the word and { ;, :, !, ? } ) !
>
> Considering this sample:
>
> \setupoutput[pdftex]
>
> \enableregime[il9]
> \useencoding[ffr]
> \mainlanguage[fr]
>
> \starttext
> Essai: est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?
>
> Essai : est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?
>
> Essai : est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte ?
>
> Peut-être bien que oui ! Peut-être que non!
> \stoptext
>
> The output returns:
>
> Essai: est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?
>
> Essai: est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?
>
> Essai: est-ce que la ponctuation est correcte?
>
> Peut-être bien que oui! Peut-être que non!
change this in enco-ffr: (\empty -> \currentmainlanguage) 

\startlanguagespecifics[\s!fr]
    \definetextmodediscretionary : {\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\currentmainlanguage{:}:}
    \definetextmodediscretionary ; {\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\currentmainlanguage{;};}
    \definetextmodediscretionary ? {\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\currentmainlanguage{?}?}
    \definetextmodediscretionary ! {\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\currentmainlanguage{!}!}
\stoplanguagespecifics

(btw, this feature will be replaces in due time by pdftex's pre/post character kerning features) 

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