extended ascii characters

extended ascii characters

[Gonçalo Morais]

I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context, for 
example character number 167. 

Thanks in advance 

Gonçalo
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Re: extended ascii characters

[Pawel Jackowski na Onet]

Hi all!


> I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context,
for
> example character number 167.

I'm sure Hans has made a lot of extensions for ,,strange'' character
support. But also plain TeX offers \char167 instruction, which returns
character 167 according to given font encoding. Is that what You looking
for?

Regards, Pawe/l

Re: extended ascii characters

[Gonçalo Morais]

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Thanks for your help... 

I am aware of \char167 isntruction but in the next example nothing seems to 
happen!! 

Gonçalo 


Pawel Jackowski na Onet writes: 

> Hi all! 
> 
> 
>> I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context,
> for
>> example character number 167.
> 
> I'm sure Hans has made a lot of extensions for ,,strange'' character
> support. But also plain TeX offers \char167 instruction, which returns
> character 167 according to given font encoding. Is that what You looking
> for? 
> 
> Regards, Pawe/l 
> 
> 
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Re: extended ascii characters

[Patrick Gundlach]

"Gonçalo Morais" <gmorais@deea.isel.ipl.pt> writes:

> Thanks for your help... I am aware of \char167 isntruction but in the
> next example nothing seems to happen!! 

It surely depends on the fonts you use. Default is cmr, which has, as
far as I know, only 7bit encoding. So \char167 will lead to nothing.
Switch to another font.

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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Adam Lindsay]

Gonçalo,

"Extended ASCII" is relatively uninformative without some information on
which encoding you're actually using (ASCII is normative from 0-127).
I'll guess you mean '§' (Section mark), which, judging from regi-win and
regi-il1, is my guess for the character you mean. (On the mac, it's 'ß'
or the eszett, which is less likely judging from your email address.)

ConTeXt makes this easy: just use the macro \sectionmark .

If the original document uses an "extended ascii" encoding for characters
like this, you might find it easier to use this at the beginning of your
document:
\enableregime[il1]  %    ...or...
\enableregime[windows] % as appropriate.

Patrick is very right, and alludes to a (potentially) confusing topic,
with font encodings and input regimes. They're actually a very nice,
powerful aspect of ConTeXt, where you enter text using your most familiar
method, and don't have to worry where each glyph is located on a day-to-
day basis.

Hope that's some help...
adam

Gonçalo Morais said this at Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:59:21 +0000:

>Thanks for your help...
>
>I am aware of \char167 isntruction but in the next example nothing seems to
>happen!!
>
>Gonçalo
>
>
>Pawel Jackowski na Onet writes:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>>
>>> I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context,
>> for
>>> example character number 167.
>>
>> I'm sure Hans has made a lot of extensions for ,,strange'' character
>> support. But also plain TeX offers \char167 instruction, which returns
>> character 167 according to given font encoding. Is that what You looking
>> for?
>>
>> Regards, Pawe/l
>>
>>
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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Pawel Jackowski na Onet]

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>>"Gonçalo Morais" <gmorais@deea.isel.ipl.pt> writes:
>> Thanks for your help... I am aware of \char167 isntruction but in the
>> next example nothing seems to happen!!

>It surely depends on the fonts you use. Default is cmr, which has, as
>far as I know, only 7bit encoding. So \char167 will lead to nothing.
>Switch to another font.

>Patrick

Attached file contains all characters available in cmr10. Indeed, there is
no character coded 167.

Regards, Pawe/l


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Re: extended ascii characters

[Hans Hagen]

At 01:29 03/01/2004, you wrote:

>I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context, 
>for example character number 167.
>Thanks in advance

normally this is handled by font encoding and input regimes

if you want to directly access a char, how about:

\definesymbol[whatever][\getglyph{...}{167}]

see symb-*.tex for examples

Hans

Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Peter Münster]

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Adam Lindsay wrote:

> like this, you might find it easier to use this at the beginning of your
> document:
> \enableregime[il1]  %    ...or...
> \enableregime[windows] % as appropriate.

Hello,
since I didn't find any documentation about this command, here 2 questions:

* What should I do to use the latin9 encoding?
I copied regi-il1.tex with the appropriate changes to regi-il9.tex but it
does not work. Anyway: when I get a working il9-file in my private ConTeXt
directory, how should I name it?

* How do you get hyphenation with accented characters?
In LaTeX I used to switch to the EC fonts by issuing \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
I tried the following, but it didn't work:
\fr
\useencoding[ec]
\enableregime[il1]
\starttext
évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution
évolution évolution

evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution
evolution evolution
\stoptext

Thanks in advance for any help!

Happy new year, Peter

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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Adam Lindsay]

Peter Münster said this at Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:09:38 +0100:

>* What should I do to use the latin9 encoding?
>I copied regi-il1.tex with the appropriate changes to regi-il9.tex but it
>does not work. Anyway: when I get a working il9-file in my private ConTeXt
>directory, how should I name it?

Peter, off the top of my head, I think you would do:
\input regi-il9     % read the file in
\useregime [il9]    % make sure the regime is loaded
\enableregime [il9] % activate it.

I'm pretty clueless about hyphenation, though.

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Re: extended ascii characters

[Gonçalo Morais]

I will, thank you all for your support. 

Gonçalo 

Hans Hagen writes: 

> At 01:29 03/01/2004, you wrote: 
> 
>> I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context, 
>> for example character number 167.
>> Thanks in advance
> 
> normally this is handled by font encoding and input regimes 
> 
> if you want to directly access a char, how about: 
> 
> \definesymbol[whatever][\getglyph{...}{167}] 
> 
> see symb-*.tex for examples 
> 
> Hans 
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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Peter Münster]

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Adam Lindsay wrote:

> Peter Münster said this at Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:09:38 +0100:
>
> >* What should I do to use the latin9 encoding?
> >I copied regi-il1.tex with the appropriate changes to regi-il9.tex but it
> >does not work. Anyway: when I get a working il9-file in my private ConTeXt
> >directory, how should I name it?
>
> Peter, off the top of my head, I think you would do:
> \input regi-il9     % read the file in
> \useregime [il9]    % make sure the regime is loaded
> \enableregime [il9] % activate it.

Thanks, my mistake was not to use the \useregime command.

> I'm pretty clueless about hyphenation, though.

Oh, too bad... :(
I'll ask this question perhaps another day, if I don't get it.

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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Dienstag, 06.01.04, um 08:26 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Peter 
Münster:
>> I'm pretty clueless about hyphenation, though.
> Oh, too bad... :(
> I'll ask this question perhaps another day, if I don't get it.

For correct hyphenation and some other details you need to declare your 
language:
\mainlanguage[fr] or \language[fr]

HTH

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Re: hyphenation (was: Re: extended ascii characters)

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> For correct hyphenation and some other details you need to declare your
> language:
> \mainlanguage[fr] or \language[fr]

The original posted example began with \fr, which should be the same as
\language[fr].

Here again the example, where you can see the problem.

\fr
\useencoding[ec]
\enableregime[il1]
\starttext
évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution
évolution évolution

evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution
evolution evolution
\stoptext

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Re: hyphenation

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Dienstag, 06.01.04, um 17:58 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Peter 
Münster:
> The original posted example began with \fr, which should be the same as
> \language[fr].

right.

> Here again the example, where you can see the problem.

Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.

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Re: hyphenation

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> > Here again the example, where you can see the problem.
>
> Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.

Ok, then there must be a problem with my installation. I only get "evolution"
hyphenated, but not "évolution"... :(
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Re: hyphenation: latin modern fonts

[Helmut Schwertner]

Hello Peter,

Peter Münster schrieb:
>>>Here again the example, where you can see the problem.
>>Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.

> Ok, then there must be a problem with my installation. I only get "evolution"
> hyphenated, but not "évolution"... :(
> Cheers, Peter
> 

take the  latin modern fonts. This example works with winxp and miktex:

*************************************************************

\language[fr]
% \useencoding[ec]
\enableregime[il1]

% latin modern fonts
\usetypescript [all] [latin-modern] [texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[reset]
\setupbodyfont[cmr]

\starttext

évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution
évolution évolution

evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution
evolution evolution

\stoptext

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Re: hyphenation: latin modern fonts

[Peter Münster]

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Helmut Schwertner wrote:

> Peter Münster schrieb:

> >>>Here again the example, where you can see the problem.

> >>Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.

> > Ok, then there must be a problem with my installation. I only get "evolution"
> > hyphenated, but not "évolution"... :(

> take the  latin modern fonts. This example works with winxp and miktex:

Thanks for this hint. But as I read in newsgroup d.c.t.t aren't there still
bugs with the kerning etc?

Strange: I don't have Latin Modern installed, but your example file
compiled here with texexec without any error nor warning message...

Under LaTeX I used the EC fonts. Will it be difficult to get them work with
ConTeXt?

So, there is no problem with my installation?

Thanks for your help, Peter

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Re: hyphenation: latin modern fonts

[Willi Egger]

Peter Münster wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Helmut Schwertner wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Peter Münster schrieb:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>>>Here again the example, where you can see the problem.
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>
>  
>
>>>>Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>  
>
>>>Ok, then there must be a problem with my installation. I only get "evolution"
>>>hyphenated, but not "évolution"... :(
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>take the  latin modern fonts. This example works with winxp and miktex:
>>    
>>
>
>Thanks for this hint. But as I read in newsgroup d.c.t.t aren't there still
>bugs with the kerning etc?
>
>Strange: I don't have Latin Modern installed, but your example file
>compiled here with texexec without any error nor warning message...
>
>Under LaTeX I used the EC fonts. Will it be difficult to get them work with
>ConTeXt?
>
>So, there is no problem with my installation?
>
>Thanks for your help, Peter
>
>  
>
Hi Peter,

Provided that you use a recent CONTEXT, everything should be there. Get 
the fonts from CTAN or from the TEXlive Collection (directory is outside 
the texmf-tree).
Within CONTEXT:

\usetypescript[modern][texnansi] %or whatever you like
\setupbodyfont[modern,rms,11pt]

I stand corrected, but because of the matching mechanism, you will get 
CMR if the Latin Modern fonts are not available - Check the pdf file's 
font properties

Kind regards

Willi

Re: hyphenation: latin modern fonts

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Willi Egger wrote:

> Provided that you use a recent CONTEXT, everything should be there. Get
> the fonts from CTAN or from the TEXlive Collection (directory is outside
> the texmf-tree).
> Within CONTEXT:
>
> \usetypescript[modern][texnansi] %or whatever you like
> \setupbodyfont[modern,rms,11pt]

Ok, I installed the newest ConTeXt and the lm fonts. Hyphenation is good
now. The only thing I had to do, was adding lm.map to the files config.ps,
xdvi.cfg and pdftex.cfg.
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hyphenation

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

Hi,

Here is a nice trick to show all possible (within the constraints of 
fonts and languages) hyphenations in a paragraoh:

     \bgroup
         \setupalign[flushright]
         \hyphenpenalty-100000
         \input tufte
         \par % force hyphenation
     \egroup

This one does the same for last lines on a page with a hyphen:

\bgroup
   % \interlinepenalty10000
     \brokenpenalty-10000
     \input tufte
\egroup

Hans


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Re: hyphenation

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Untested:

\setupreferenceformat[style=\nohyphens]

Wolfgang


Hans van der Meer schrieb am 26.10.18 um 13:38:
> Using roman numbers in figures I encountered a case where XIII.9 was 
> hyphenated into XI-II.9. A bit unclear, in my opinion.
>
> Easily repairable with something 
> like \def\myfigure[#1]{{\nohyphens\in{figure}[#1]}}
> Just an observation, not really a problem but maybe something waiting 
> to be fixed.
>
> dr. Hans van der Meer
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Re: hyphenation

[Hans Hagen]

On 10/26/2018 1:38 PM, Hans van der Meer wrote:
> Using roman numbers in figures I encountered a case where XIII.9 was 
> hyphenated into XI-II.9. A bit unclear, in my opinion.
> 
> Easily repairable with something 
> like \def\myfigure[#1]{{\nohyphens\in{figure}[#1]}}
> Just an observation, not really a problem but maybe something waiting to 
> be fixed.

\nl \hyphenation{XIII}


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hyphenation

[Hans van der Meer]

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Using roman numbers in figures I encountered a case where XIII.9 was hyphenated into XI-II.9. A bit unclear, in my opinion. 

Easily repairable with something like \def\myfigure[#1]{{\nohyphens\in{figure}[#1]}}
Just an observation, not really a problem but maybe something waiting to be fixed.

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Re: hyphenation

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi Hraban,

Your questions are more about luatex than about context, I think
(you _are_ talking about mkiv, yes?)

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Ahoi,
> (1)
> there's an ongoing thread on the German mailing list (TeX-D-L), if it 
> would be possible to implement weighted(?) hyphenation, i.e. that some 
> breaks are better than other, e.g.
> Do-nau---dampf--schiff---fahrt
> Wa-ren---wirt--schaft
> Eu-ro-pa---par-la--ment
> (In InDesign I can suggest such priorities if I add words to the user 
> dictionary.)

There is a tracker item to that effect:

   http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=168

but it has no planned deadline yet.

> (2)
> Uses ConTeXt the same hyphenation algorithm as LaTeX? Or one of the 
> newer projects? (perhaps SiSiSi?)

At the moment, the functionality of \patterns in luatex is the same as
in pdf(tex) except that the hyphenation patterns are fully UTF-8.

> (3)
> Further, I wonder why \hyphenation{} is case dependend - in my last 
> project "Secretary General" was wrongly hyphenated, but 
> \hyphenation{se-cre-ta-ry} didn't fix it, I needed 
> \hyphenation{Se-cre-ta-ry}. Does that make sense?

Not so much. At first sight, this looks like a luatex bug. I will 
investigate.

Best wishes,
Taco

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hyphenation

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Ahoi,
(1)
there's an ongoing thread on the German mailing list (TeX-D-L), if it  
would be possible to implement weighted(?) hyphenation, i.e. that some  
breaks are better than other, e.g.
Do-nau---dampf--schiff---fahrt
Wa-ren---wirt--schaft
Eu-ro-pa---par-la--ment
(In InDesign I can suggest such priorities if I add words to the user  
dictionary.)

(2)
Uses ConTeXt the same hyphenation algorithm as LaTeX? Or one of the  
newer projects? (perhaps SiSiSi?)

(3)
Further, I wonder why \hyphenation{} is case dependend - in my last  
project "Secretary General" was wrongly hyphenated, but  
\hyphenation{se-cre-ta-ry} didn't fix it, I needed \hyphenation{Se-cre- 
ta-ry}. Does that make sense?



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Re: hyphenation

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

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Hello Thomas and everybody,

I've checked hyph patterns for Russian and languages provided by you. I 
discovered that nothing has changed for last month -- the result is 
exactly the same for luatex 0.35 and 0.37, as well as respective ConTeXt 
builds.

Two demo images are attached.

Vyatcheslav

> Hi Vyatcheslav,
>
> I append a file that I have used, can you simply add tests for Russian 
> and Ukrainian? Yes, I'm using mkiv, latest beta, luatex 0.37.
>
> Thanks for your help - I will be offline until Sunday night.
>
> All best
>
> Thomas
>
>


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Re: hyphenation

[Hans Hagen]

At 08:04 02/04/2003 +0200, Zeljko Vrba wrote:

>I'm typesetting something in Croatian language. In cont-en.tex I put
>an \installlanguage, and properly configured the hyphenation tables
>(which languages to include/exclude).  In my main project file, I put
>\mainlanguage[hr]. Is this enough for Context to use Croatian hyphenation
>rules? Is there a way to check by which rules does it hyphenate?
>
>(I myself am not too familiar with my own language's hyphenation :),
>but some words do appear hyphenated strangely nevertheless.. so I'd just
>want to check it)

this is also related to the (font) encoding; are you sure that the encoding 
matches the patterns?

(can be set up with installlanguage, see czech)

Hans


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hyphenation

[Zeljko Vrba]

I'm typesetting something in Croatian language. In cont-en.tex I put
an \installlanguage, and properly configured the hyphenation tables
(which languages to include/exclude).  In my main project file, I put
\mainlanguage[hr]. Is this enough for Context to use Croatian hyphenation
rules? Is there a way to check by which rules does it hyphenate?

(I myself am not too familiar with my own language's hyphenation :),
but some words do appear hyphenated strangely nevertheless.. so I'd just
want to check it)

Re: Hyphenation

[Hans Hagen]

David Arnold wrote:

> (f:\texmf\tex\context\config\cont-usr.tex))
> language       : no patterns en for en (n=0)
> language       : no hyphenations en for en (n=0)
> language       : patterns uk for uk loaded (n=1)

> ConTeXt ver: 1999.5.11 fmt: 1999.5.22 int: english mes: english

> >> It doesn't look like I am getting the hyphenation patterns I need. The
> >> following source generates the attached pdf on my system.

Ah, this is a real problem! I didn't notice that because I use the
lang-* filenames here (those were included in previous distributions).
File mapping is rather recent and was introduced to prevent
duplications. The cont-usr file should have an 'en' entry too! I also
noticed that the uk entry was wrong: should be 'ukhyphen' instead of
'ukhyph'. So much for standards in naming. I don;t think tetex suffers
from this, because Thomas has a system wide mapping system running
there. 

Can you add/change these lines in cont-usr.tex? 

\definefilesynonym [lang-en.pat]  [ushyph1.tex]
\definefilesynonym [lang-us.pat]  [ushyph1.tex]
\definefilesynonym [lang-uk.pat]  [ukhyphen.tex]

Thanks for mentioning the problem, 

Hans

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