[NTG-context] Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[NTG-context] Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[Shiv Shankar Dayal]

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Dear List,

Can we use plain TeX commands which are available in LuaMetaTeX in an
arbitrary manner or are there any restrictions?

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Shiv Shankar Dayal

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[NTG-context] Re: Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/24/2024 2:55 PM, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> Can we use plain TeX commands which are available in LuaMetaTeX in an 
> arbitrary manner or are there any restrictions?
what do you mean with arbitrary plain tex commands

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[NTG-context] Re: Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[Shiv Shankar Dayal]

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For example: \kern, \parindent and so on. Rephrasing the question, can
LuaMetaTeX/ConTeXt compile
plain TeX files. If yes, how can I do that?

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 9:02 PM Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> On 1/24/2024 2:55 PM, Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > Can we use plain TeX commands which are available in LuaMetaTeX in an
> > arbitrary manner or are there any restrictions?
> what do you mean with arbitrary plain tex commands
>
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[NTG-context] Re: Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Shiv Shankar Dayal schrieb am 24.01.2024 um 16:37:
> For example: \kern, \parindent and so on. Rephrasing the question, can 
> LuaMetaTeX/ConTeXt compile
> plain TeX files. If yes, how can I do that?

You mix up two different things here.

1. Plain TeX is a collection of TeX macros like ConTeXt or LaTeX.

2. LuaMetaTeX is a program like pdfTeX or LuaTeX which provides commands 
which are used by above mentioned collections to create macros.

Even though ConTeXt provides some commands which available in plain TeX 
not all of the are supported which means you can't process plain TeX 
documents.

On the other hand commands which are provided by the engine like 
\parindent can be used in a ConTeXt document but higher level mechanism 
like \setupindenting are the better choice.

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[Shiv Shankar Dayal]

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Thanks for correcting me, Wolfgang. I meant only TeX commands not plan TeX
macros.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 9:20 PM Wolfgang Schuster <
wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> Shiv Shankar Dayal schrieb am 24.01.2024 um 16:37:
> > For example: \kern, \parindent and so on. Rephrasing the question, can
> > LuaMetaTeX/ConTeXt compile
> > plain TeX files. If yes, how can I do that?
>
> You mix up two different things here.
>
> 1. Plain TeX is a collection of TeX macros like ConTeXt or LaTeX.
>
> 2. LuaMetaTeX is a program like pdfTeX or LuaTeX which provides commands
> which are used by above mentioned collections to create macros.
>
> Even though ConTeXt provides some commands which available in plain TeX
> not all of the are supported which means you can't process plain TeX
> documents.
>
> On the other hand commands which are provided by the engine like
> \parindent can be used in a ConTeXt document but higher level mechanism
> like \setupindenting are the better choice.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>

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Shiv Shankar Dayal

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[NTG-context] Re: Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Shiv Shankar Dayal schrieb am 24.01.2024 um 16:52:
> Thanks for correcting me, Wolfgang. I meant only TeX commands not plan 
> TeX macros.

As I already wrote you can use \parindent etc. in your document but 
unless you
know what you're doing you should keep it to a minimum to avoid conflicts
with other mechanism which rely on certain settings, e.g. changing the 
\parindent
value can result in unwanted result with paragraph indentation set with
\setupindenting[...].

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 16:55, Shiv Shankar Dayal <
shivshankar.dayal@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for correcting me, Wolfgang. I meant only TeX commands not plan TeX
> macros.
>
>
TeX primitives ?

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[NTG-context] Re: Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[Shiv Shankar Dayal]

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Yes.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:08 PM luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 16:55, Shiv Shankar Dayal <
> shivshankar.dayal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for correcting me, Wolfgang. I meant only TeX commands not plan
>> TeX macros.
>>
>>
> TeX primitives ?
>
> --
> luigi
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Shiv Shankar Dayal

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[NTG-context] Re: Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt

[Hamid,Idris]

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Hi Shiv,

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Date 1/24/2024 9:44:09 AM
Subject [NTG-context] Re: Using plain TeX commands in ConTeXt


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Yes.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:08 PM luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com<mailto:luigi.scarso@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 16:55, Shiv Shankar Dayal <shivshankar.dayal@gmail.com<mailto:shivshankar.dayal@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for correcting me, Wolfgang. I meant only TeX commands not plan TeX macros.


TeX primitives ?

Apologies if you are already aware:

There are 21 ConTeXt manuals entitled "low-level TeX" here:

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Documentation

These might be a good place to begin exploration of interactions between TeX primitives and ConTeXt.

Best wishes
--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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