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From: Ben Greenfield via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Cc: Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Isaacson v Unix
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 10:37:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0A800C0E-3D9C-4C76-9A91-BFC3226C42CC@cogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqswWuOdOWT=FhpbXb5QX_rdDPhgeCbmoR9u3j1pWYX2w@mail.gmail.com>

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> On Jan 5, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 8:04 AM Ed Carp <erc@pobox.com <mailto:erc@pobox.com>> wrote:
> > I looked, and it too says next to nothing about Unix (which it describes as a
> > "programming language" - pg. 346). Oh well.
> 
> Pretty funny, or sad, depending on your viewpoint!
> 
> > This is really a pretty serious omission, given that the vast majority of
> > mobile devices now run Android, which is a Unix derivative (Linux). So just
> > about everyone has a Unix-derived thing in their pocket.
> 
> To hear some people talk, everything started with Linux, and Torvalds
> is a god. Nonsense.
> 
> Even iOS and MacOS are derived from BSD, I believe. I know that MacOS
> is (or has been until relatively recently, at any rate) derived from
> BSD.
> 
> MacOS X is derived from BSD + Mach VM, with lots of infusions from BSD and other projects. iOS is derived from MacOS.

I think that it is more clearly expressed as MacOS X has a BSD interface to the Mach VM. Mach has always had this sort of relationship with BSD and it still exists. 

iOS…

Ben


> 
> Warner
>  
> On 1/5/19, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu <mailto:jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>> wrote:
> >    >> From: Doug McIlroy
> >
> >     >> I have heard also that Isaacson's "Idea Factory" (about Bell Labs)
> >
> >     > Did you mean the work of this title by Jon Gertner? (I have yet to
> > pull
> >     > down my copy to see what it says about Unix
> >
> > I looked, and it too says next to nothing about Unix (which it describes as
> > a
> > "programming language" - pg. 346). Oh well.
> >
> > This is really a pretty serious omission, given that the vast majority of
> > mobile devices now run Android, which is a Unix derivative (Linux). So just
> > about everyone has a Unix-derived thing in their pocket.
> >
> >       Noel
> >


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  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-05 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-05 14:30 Noel Chiappa
2019-01-05 15:04 ` Ed Carp
2019-01-05 15:26   ` Warner Losh
2019-01-05 15:37     ` Ben Greenfield via TUHS [this message]
     [not found] <mailman.2.1546724053.30035.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2019-01-06  3:45 ` Paul McJones
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-01-05 21:34 Doug McIlroy
2019-01-05  4:20 Noel Chiappa
2019-01-05  2:26 Doug McIlroy
2019-01-05  2:35 ` Ronald Natalie
2019-01-05 15:31   ` Larry McVoy
2019-01-05 17:01     ` A. P. Garcia
2019-01-05 20:27       ` Paul Winalski
2019-01-05 21:38         ` A. P. Garcia
2019-01-05 21:51           ` Rob Pike
2019-01-05 21:53             ` Rob Pike
2019-01-05 21:52           ` Larry McVoy
2019-01-06  1:50       ` Chris Hanson
2019-01-06  2:18         ` A. P. Garcia
2019-01-05 17:07     ` Donald ODona
2019-01-05 21:20       ` joe mcguckin
2019-01-06  1:43     ` Chris Hanson
2019-01-05  9:08 ` William Corcoran
2019-01-05 12:09   ` Ed Carp
2019-01-05 14:15 ` Paul Winalski
2019-01-05 15:01   ` Ed Carp
2019-01-06  4:35 ` Bakul Shah
2019-01-06  4:52   ` Bakul Shah
2019-01-06  5:00   ` Toby Thain

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