From: Seth Morabito <web@loomcom.com>
To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2?
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:06:14 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1535389574.3616679.1487699024.54D526CE@webmail.messagingengine.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f28da67c-b9af-b038-556b-f2e3012ddcff@mhorton.net>
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Mary Ann Horton wrote:
> Inside AT&T (but outside research) there was considerable pressure to
> use AT&T products (3B, System V, BLIT/5620, Datakit) rather than the
> externally developing Sun/Ethernet/TCP suite, especially in the mid-
> late 1980s. We all (mostly) hated them and wanted Suns, but we were
> told "eat your own dog food." The 3B20 and 3B5 were awful, but the
> 3B2 had potential. Once we got a working TCP/IP network in Bell Labs
> the tide turned in favor of Suns.>
> On 08/24/2018 09:06 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:13 AM Seth Morabito
>> <web@loomcom.com> wrote:>>>
>>> ...
>>> I've begun to wonder whether 3B2 hardware was used very much inside
>>> of Bell Labs.>> I'd be curious to hear of people that actually used it. AT&T forced
>> you to buy one with SVR3 as the porting base (I'd have never had
>> bought the one we had a Stellar otherwise).>> The only time I ever knew anyone run one, was to check to see the
>> behavior of some code/validation testing of RFS *etc*...[...]
Thank you all for your many replies!
I have a soft spot for the 3B2 because I've put so much work into
reverse engineering it and understanding it, but I can absolutely
understand why everyone wanted Suns. The 3B2 was a funny architecture,
and unless it had been a breakout hit right from the start, I can't
imagine a path that would have led to 3B2s taking over the world.
-Seth
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Seth Morabito
Poulsbo, WA
web@loomcom.com
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Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-24 15:13 Seth Morabito
2018-08-24 15:23 ` William Cheswick
2018-08-24 16:06 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-24 16:46 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-24 17:54 ` Jon Forrest
2018-08-26 2:22 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-27 15:54 ` Mary Ann Horton
2018-08-27 17:06 ` Seth Morabito [this message]
2018-08-27 17:33 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-27 19:59 ` John P. Linderman
2018-08-27 20:27 ` Brad Spencer
2018-08-28 0:24 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-28 0:30 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-28 6:01 ` arnold
2018-08-28 6:11 ` George Michaelson
2018-08-28 6:42 ` arnold
2018-08-28 13:13 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-08-28 22:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 5:25 ` arnold
2018-08-28 22:33 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 0:36 ` Harald Arnesen
2018-08-29 0:46 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 5:29 ` [TUHS] SunOS code? arnold
2018-08-29 14:40 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 14:41 ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:44 ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 14:46 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-29 14:43 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:53 ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 11:43 ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 13:50 ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 14:32 ` Warner Losh
2018-09-04 9:39 ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 15:01 ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 15:20 ` Warner Losh
2018-09-01 18:24 ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 18:38 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 23:09 ` David Arnold
2018-08-29 1:06 ` [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 3:23 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-29 4:36 ` [TUHS] Cryptic Unix Commands Warren Toomey
2018-08-29 16:13 ` Jeremy C. Reed
2018-08-29 22:03 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 22:09 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-29 22:21 ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 23:04 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-29 23:38 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 3:59 ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 22:31 ` Dan Mick
2018-08-29 23:00 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-30 8:28 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-30 11:06 ` ron
2018-08-30 11:35 ` John P. Linderman
2018-08-30 13:24 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 14:31 ` William Pechter
2018-08-30 15:01 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 15:22 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 16:11 ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 5:06 ` [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-08-29 14:25 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-29 14:41 ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:50 ` Chet Ramey
2018-08-29 14:59 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 15:08 ` Chet Ramey
2018-08-29 17:14 ` Arno Griffioen
2018-08-29 23:23 ` Eric Wayte
2018-08-30 3:03 ` Gregg Levine
2018-08-29 17:28 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-30 5:58 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-08-30 13:14 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 8:43 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 7:03 ` Arrigo Triulzi
2018-08-28 1:14 ` Warren Toomey
2018-08-28 17:47 ` Paul Winalski
2018-08-26 8:48 ` arnold
2018-08-26 13:09 Norman Wilson
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