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From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To: arnold@skeeve.com
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] SunOS code?
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:45:31 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANCZdfpq8nmZZmo5RwpHRFqswxwimRZyi1SMGipJqps-N5Y0Cg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfrcZ5Gt_+wNKZ7zqzzWaGoSPE1rtCHEDrqh4eozdnHKAQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 8:43 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 11:29 PM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
>
>> Changed the subject line.
>>
>> Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
>>
>> > So I'd go with MacOS is not a fun kernel.  It's pretty close to BSD
>> > and I recently wandered through that VM system and I was not impressed.
>> > I wish like hell that Sun had fed their VM back to BSD.  Yeah, it wasn't
>> > multi processor friendly but someone would have fixed that.
>> >
>> > The penguin stuff, it's OK.  Not as clean as SunOS by a long shot.
>>
>> So, is the SunOS code available in a way that would let people hack
>> on it? They had ported it to 386 (roadrunner?), so maybe it'd be
>> possible to revive it and bring it into the 21st century.
>>
>
> The Googles tells me there's a dozen download places.
>
> SunOS 4.1 doesn't have 386 support in it. It was removed after SunOS 4.0.
> The Sun RoadRunner wasn't really IBM PC compatible. It had a fair number of
> incompatible bits included in it. It also had a weird BIOS.
>
> There's a lot that's happened in x86 since then. It's unclear how much
> benefit there would be to having the sources. It looks like you'd be much
> better off starting with one of the latter-day BSD implementations to do
> the port, though significant differences exist with the infrastructure so
> it would be far from a drop-in.
>

Also, a huge difference is that there's *NO* MP support for SunOS.
Solbourne produced OS/MP which was SunOS with fine-grained locking added (I
forget the degree to which it was, but IIRC, there were 'funnels' that used
locks around the different subsystems (so not one big giant lock), not
fine-grained in the sense we use it today. *THAT* source is harder to find
online...

Warner

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Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-24 15:13 [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Seth Morabito
2018-08-24 15:23 ` William Cheswick
2018-08-24 16:06 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-24 16:46   ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-24 17:54     ` Jon Forrest
2018-08-26  2:22       ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-27 15:54   ` Mary Ann Horton
2018-08-27 17:06     ` Seth Morabito
2018-08-27 17:33     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-27 19:59       ` John P. Linderman
2018-08-27 20:27         ` Brad Spencer
2018-08-28  0:24       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-28  0:30         ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-28  6:01           ` arnold
2018-08-28  6:11             ` George Michaelson
2018-08-28  6:42               ` arnold
2018-08-28 13:13                 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-08-28 22:39                 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  5:25                   ` arnold
2018-08-28 22:33             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  0:36               ` Harald Arnesen
2018-08-29  0:46                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29  5:29                   ` [TUHS] SunOS code? arnold
2018-08-29 14:40                     ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 14:41                       ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:44                         ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 14:46                           ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45                         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-29 14:43                     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45                       ` Warner Losh [this message]
2018-08-29 14:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 11:43                         ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 13:50                           ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 14:32                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-04  9:39                               ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 15:01                           ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 15:20                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-01 18:24                               ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 18:38                                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 23:09                       ` David Arnold
2018-08-29  1:06                 ` [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  3:23                   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-29  4:36                     ` [TUHS] Cryptic Unix Commands Warren Toomey
2018-08-29 16:13                       ` Jeremy C. Reed
2018-08-29 22:03                       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 22:09                         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-29 22:21                           ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 23:04                             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-29 23:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30  3:59                               ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 22:31                         ` Dan Mick
2018-08-29 23:00                           ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-30  8:28                             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-30 11:06                         ` ron
2018-08-30 11:35                           ` John P. Linderman
2018-08-30 13:24                           ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 14:31                             ` William Pechter
2018-08-30 15:01                               ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 15:22                                 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 16:11                                   ` William Pechter
2018-08-29  5:06                     ` [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-08-29 14:25                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-29 14:41                         ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:50                           ` Chet Ramey
2018-08-29 14:59                             ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 15:08                               ` Chet Ramey
2018-08-29 17:14                           ` Arno Griffioen
2018-08-29 23:23                             ` Eric Wayte
2018-08-30  3:03                               ` Gregg Levine
2018-08-29 17:28                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-30  5:58                         ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-08-30 13:14                           ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29  8:43                     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  7:03                   ` Arrigo Triulzi
2018-08-28  1:14         ` Warren Toomey
2018-08-28 17:47         ` Paul Winalski
2018-08-26  8:48 ` arnold
2018-08-30 19:41 [TUHS] SunOS code? Noel Chiappa
2018-08-30 19:46 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:04 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 20:22   ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:33     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:36       ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:40         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:43           ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:38     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 20:42       ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:43         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:37 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-31  5:49 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-08-31  9:50   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-31 11:01     ` Gregg Levine
2018-08-31 11:05       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-08-30 19:54 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-30 20:05 ` Earl Baugh
2018-08-30 21:34 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-31  1:59 ` Kevin Bowling
2018-08-31 21:34   ` Cág
2018-08-31 21:39     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-31 21:47       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-08-31 21:57     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-31 21:58     ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-31 22:02       ` Warner Losh
2018-08-31 22:19       ` Cág
2018-08-31 22:23         ` Jon Forrest
2018-08-31 22:30           ` Cág
2018-08-31 22:34             ` Jon Forrest
2018-09-01 10:46             ` Donald ODona
2018-08-31 22:20       ` Cág
2018-08-31 23:02       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-01  1:57         ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01  3:23           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-01 16:29             ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-01 16:35               ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 19:32                 ` Clem Cole
2018-09-01 16:27         ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-01 17:17           ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-01 22:19             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-02  5:05               ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-02 19:43                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-04 11:47                   ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-04 17:39                     ` Gilles Gravier
2018-09-04 17:45                       ` Henry Bent
2018-09-05  6:31                         ` Gilles Gravier
2018-09-05 12:55                           ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-05 15:26                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-05 15:36                               ` Chet Ramey
2018-09-05 15:43                               ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-05 23:40                           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-09-05  0:10                 ` Tony Finch
2018-09-04 17:58 Noel Chiappa
2018-09-06  0:39 ` Dave Horsfall

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