From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2?
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:33:36 -0400 [thread overview]
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 12:04 PM Mary Ann Horton <mah@mhorton.net> wrote:
> Inside AT&T (but outside research) there was considerable pressure to use
> AT&T products (3B, System V, BLIT/5620, Datakit) rather than the externally
> developing Sun/Ethernet/TCP suite, especially in the mid-late 1980s. We
> all (mostly) hated them and wanted Suns, but we were told "eat your own dog
> food."
>
That was always my impression. IIRC Mt. Xinu made a poster (and Kolstad
made a series of buttons) stating "4.2 > V" I remember somebody (ber
probably) had it hanging in Whippany and certain supervisors were not
amsussed.
The 3B20 and 3B5 were awful, but the 3B2 had potential.
>
It was not so much they we awful IMO, is that they were nothing special -
too little too late. The 3B20 (the only computer I even knew with a 'pull
starter'), was basically a 1MIP 780 and took the same resources (machine
room, multiple 19" cabinets, etc); when a 68020 based Masscomp, Apollo or
Sun was at 4-5 MIPS and fit under your desk. As I said, fighting the last
war.
The 3B2 got the size and performance more inline, but the SW was still
behind and by them it was arguable if a BLIT over a serial line could
compete with the builtin graphics. For the former, did the 3B2 only run
SRV3 and SRV4? The others ran SVR0-2 which was not even close to BSD. By
SVR3 the OS finally got better. BILT had some great stuff, but I think
the shear volume of programmers using X-Windows, particularly once it ran
on super cheap HW (*i.e.* Wintel based) it was tough.
> Once we got a working TCP/IP network in Bell Labs the tide turned in favor
> of Suns
>
Although by the time of its release, the default system for
SRV4 was Wintel.
Clem
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Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-24 15:13 Seth Morabito
2018-08-24 15:23 ` William Cheswick
2018-08-24 16:06 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-24 16:46 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-24 17:54 ` Jon Forrest
2018-08-26 2:22 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-27 15:54 ` Mary Ann Horton
2018-08-27 17:06 ` Seth Morabito
2018-08-27 17:33 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2018-08-27 19:59 ` John P. Linderman
2018-08-27 20:27 ` Brad Spencer
2018-08-28 0:24 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-28 0:30 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-28 6:01 ` arnold
2018-08-28 6:11 ` George Michaelson
2018-08-28 6:42 ` arnold
2018-08-28 13:13 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-08-28 22:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 5:25 ` arnold
2018-08-28 22:33 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 0:36 ` Harald Arnesen
2018-08-29 0:46 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 5:29 ` [TUHS] SunOS code? arnold
2018-08-29 14:40 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 14:41 ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:44 ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 14:46 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-29 14:43 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:53 ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 11:43 ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 13:50 ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 14:32 ` Warner Losh
2018-09-04 9:39 ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 15:01 ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 15:20 ` Warner Losh
2018-09-01 18:24 ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 18:38 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 23:09 ` David Arnold
2018-08-29 1:06 ` [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 3:23 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-29 4:36 ` [TUHS] Cryptic Unix Commands Warren Toomey
2018-08-29 16:13 ` Jeremy C. Reed
2018-08-29 22:03 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 22:09 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-29 22:21 ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 23:04 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-29 23:38 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 3:59 ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 22:31 ` Dan Mick
2018-08-29 23:00 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-30 8:28 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-30 11:06 ` ron
2018-08-30 11:35 ` John P. Linderman
2018-08-30 13:24 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 14:31 ` William Pechter
2018-08-30 15:01 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 15:22 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 16:11 ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 5:06 ` [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-08-29 14:25 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-29 14:41 ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:50 ` Chet Ramey
2018-08-29 14:59 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 15:08 ` Chet Ramey
2018-08-29 17:14 ` Arno Griffioen
2018-08-29 23:23 ` Eric Wayte
2018-08-30 3:03 ` Gregg Levine
2018-08-29 17:28 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-30 5:58 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-08-30 13:14 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 8:43 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 7:03 ` Arrigo Triulzi
2018-08-28 1:14 ` Warren Toomey
2018-08-28 17:47 ` Paul Winalski
2018-08-26 8:48 ` arnold
2018-08-26 13:09 Norman Wilson
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