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From: Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com>
To: Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] SunOS code?
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:59:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK7dMtDabPX9O7Qk1fCGuzLuAc0Ke8S7qS0ArEzsW3cGMiFJUg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180830213407.6DC4718C0A6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

The effects of copyright on abandonware have been discussed pretty
widely in other communities.  The primary issue is the contracts and
right don't simply expire and it's rare for a company to completely
shutter (i.e. assets including these copyrights are acquired or given
to creditors).

Oracle would need to establish that they have providence over the
files and code, and that exceptions for Novel and other code were
covered by the OpenSolaris rights reviews.  I imagine it might cost
low hundreds of thousands of dollars to do lawyers being what they are
and commercial *nix being such a melting pot of sources.  Since there
is no conceivable revenue stream and Oracle isn't much for goodwill I
am highly skeptical.

Sun releasing OpenSolaris when they finally did and under the CDDL was
pretty tone deaf to what was going on in the market with Linux, but
you have to admire the amount of contract review and legal work that
must have taken.

Regards,
Kevin


On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>     > From: Warner Losh
>
>     > The trouble, as I was given to understand when I worked at Solbourne,
>     > was that ... There were a number of third party bits and pieces in there
>     > that could not be relicensed ... if there are other IP issues, not
>     > limited ... It's that quagmire that efforts like this will run up
>     > against.
>
> Oh, we'll just ask Oracle for a license 'for all parts of SunOS for which they
> have the ability to grant a licence'.
>
> There's no way I'd want them to have to chase down all the corner cases,
> that's just a way to guarantee it will never happen. I'd want to ask for the
> bare minimum of time/effort on their part.
>
> Anything above that, probably the SCCS stuff would be next on the priority
> list, sounds like.
>
>         Noel

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-31  1:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-30 21:34 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-31  1:59 ` Kevin Bowling [this message]
2018-08-31 21:34   ` Cág
2018-08-31 21:39     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-31 21:47       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-08-31 21:57     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-31 21:58     ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-31 22:02       ` Warner Losh
2018-08-31 22:19       ` Cág
2018-08-31 22:23         ` Jon Forrest
2018-08-31 22:30           ` Cág
2018-08-31 22:34             ` Jon Forrest
2018-09-01 10:46             ` Donald ODona
2018-08-31 22:20       ` Cág
2018-08-31 23:02       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-01  1:57         ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01  3:23           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-01 16:29             ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-01 16:35               ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 19:32                 ` Clem Cole
2018-09-01 16:27         ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-01 17:17           ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-01 22:19             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-02  5:05               ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-02 19:43                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-04 11:47                   ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-04 17:39                     ` Gilles Gravier
2018-09-04 17:45                       ` Henry Bent
2018-09-05  6:31                         ` Gilles Gravier
2018-09-05 12:55                           ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-05 15:26                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-05 15:36                               ` Chet Ramey
2018-09-05 15:43                               ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-05 23:40                           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-09-06  3:21                             ` [TUHS] Mail etiquette (was: SunOS code?) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-09-05  0:10                 ` [TUHS] SunOS code? Tony Finch
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-09-04 17:58 Noel Chiappa
2018-09-06  0:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-30 19:54 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-30 20:05 ` Earl Baugh
2018-08-30 19:41 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-30 19:46 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:04 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 20:22   ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:33     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:36       ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:40         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:43           ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:38     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 20:42       ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:43         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:37 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-31  5:49 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-08-31  9:50   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-31 11:01     ` Gregg Levine
2018-08-31 11:05       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-08-24 15:13 [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Seth Morabito
2018-08-24 16:06 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-27 15:54   ` Mary Ann Horton
2018-08-27 17:33     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-28  0:24       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-28  0:30         ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-28  6:01           ` arnold
2018-08-28 22:33             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  0:36               ` Harald Arnesen
2018-08-29  0:46                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29  5:29                   ` [TUHS] SunOS code? arnold
2018-08-29 14:40                     ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 14:41                       ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:44                         ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 14:46                           ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45                         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-29 14:43                     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45                       ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 11:43                         ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 13:50                           ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 14:32                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-04  9:39                               ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 15:01                           ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 15:20                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-01 18:24                               ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 18:38                                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 23:09                       ` David Arnold

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