* [TUHS] UNIX turns forty
@ 2009-06-05 3:48 Brian S Walden
2009-06-05 4:18 ` Larry McVoy
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From: Brian S Walden @ 2009-06-05 3:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9133570
> So when do the official celebrations begin? What's a good estimate
> of the month and date in 1969 when it all began?
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> Tim Newsham
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* [TUHS] UNIX turns forty 2009-06-05 3:48 [TUHS] UNIX turns forty Brian S Walden @ 2009-06-05 4:18 ` Larry McVoy 2009-06-05 11:42 ` Jim Capp 2009-06-05 14:40 ` John Cowan 2009-06-05 18:40 ` Jason Stevens 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Larry McVoy @ 2009-06-05 4:18 UTC (permalink / raw) If there was some bright person here who had an idea as to how we might honor these guys, in a way they would like, let's go. They are geeks and we are too, seems like maybe someone could come up with an idea. If that idea requires money then let me know, millions isn't in the cards, but drop a couple of zeros and maybe we can do it. Regardless of all that. kudos to Brian, Dennis, and Ken. And Joe, because I still do my papers in troff, our invoices are in troff, and our logo is in troff. Our website is in troff -ms format, I wrote a perl script that generates the html. --lm On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:48:53PM -0400, Brian S Walden wrote: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9133570 > > > So when do the official celebrations begin? What's a good estimate > > of the month and date in 1969 when it all began? > > > > Tim Newsham > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] UNIX turns forty 2009-06-05 4:18 ` Larry McVoy @ 2009-06-05 11:42 ` Jim Capp 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Jim Capp @ 2009-06-05 11:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Larry, How about a virtual birthday "card" where we make a site that people from all over the world can sign on and leave personalized "best wishes"? To promote it, we design a modest logo that people can place on their websites, linking to the site, allowing visitors to read the various "cards", and encouraging them to leave their own messages. We could add an /etc/passwd style listing of "users" with their own / etc/motd or "wishes of the day". We could bootstrap it with the original passwd entries, recognizing and saying "thank you" to the creators and contibutors of UNIX, in a wiki style with proper monitoring of course. What do you think? Jim On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:18 AM, lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy) wrote: > If there was some bright person here who had an idea as to how we > might > honor these guys, in a way they would like, let's go. They are geeks > and we are too, seems like maybe someone could come up with an idea. > > If that idea requires money then let me know, millions isn't in the > cards, but drop a couple of zeros and maybe we can do it. > > Regardless of all that. kudos to Brian, Dennis, and Ken. And Joe, > because I still do my papers in troff, our invoices are in troff, > and our logo is in troff. Our website is in troff -ms format, > I wrote a perl script that generates the html. > > --lm > > On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:48:53PM -0400, Brian S Walden wrote: >> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9133570 >> >>> So when do the official celebrations begin? What's a good estimate >>> of the month and date in 1969 when it all began? >>> >>> Tim Newsham >> _______________________________________________ >> TUHS mailing list >> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org >> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] UNIX turns forty 2009-06-05 3:48 [TUHS] UNIX turns forty Brian S Walden 2009-06-05 4:18 ` Larry McVoy @ 2009-06-05 14:40 ` John Cowan 2009-06-05 16:06 ` Ian King 2009-06-05 18:40 ` Jason Stevens 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: John Cowan @ 2009-06-05 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw) Brian S Walden scripsit: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9133570 Not a bad article, really, but <rant>I do get very tired of this rigid separation of Linux and Unix. No, Linux doesn't have any AT&T code, but there isn't all that much left in Solaris or *BSD either (other than header files and such). And no, Linux distros aren't Unix-branded at present, but FWIU, that's because certification is neither fast nor cheap, and applies only to a given release. Commercial Linuxes have fast release cycles, and Debian, whose release cycles are slow, can't afford certification. But in terms of actual, rather than formal, compliance, Linux is as much a Unix as any branded Unix.</rant> -- The first thing you learn in a lawin' family John Cowan is that there ain't no definite answers cowan at ccil.org to anything. --Calpurnia in To Kill A Mockingbird ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] UNIX turns forty 2009-06-05 14:40 ` John Cowan @ 2009-06-05 16:06 ` Ian King 2009-06-05 18:29 ` John Cowan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Ian King @ 2009-06-05 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw) On Jun 5, 2009, at 7:40 AM, John Cowan wrote: > Brian S Walden scripsit: > >> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? >> command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9133570 > > Not a bad article, really, but <rant>I do get very tired of this rigid > separation of Linux and Unix. No, Linux doesn't have any AT&T code, > but there isn't all that much left in Solaris or *BSD either (other > than header files and such). And no, Linux distros aren't Unix- > branded > at present, but FWIU, that's because certification is neither fast nor > cheap, and applies only to a given release. Commercial Linuxes > have fast > release cycles, and Debian, whose release cycles are slow, can't > afford > certification. But in terms of actual, rather than formal, > compliance, > Linux is as much a Unix as any branded Unix.</rant> Not a very *good* article, either, IMHO. One gets the impression the author of the piece was given two or three pieces of data and instructed to write a historical drama around them. I also suspect he's never seen a PDP-7, either. Until about two years ago, one of these 'wimpy' machines was running a particle accelerator at the University of Oregon. It was unnecessary to slam the PDP-7 to make the point that Unix was created on a computer of modest resources. Unix bloat occurred for the same reason any other piece of software bloats up: users want to do less and get more. While it's true that some programmers and companies are better than others at adding features without adding heft, most find such exercise in economy unnecessary given the "throw another giga[byte | hertz] at it" culture that currently prevails. It's also amusing he introduces the NT kernel as some sort of 'perfect foil' to Unix, without even mentioning its VMS roots - as though it sprang fully formed from the aether. The reason NT was competitive is that Unix configuration and administration has never been a task for the meek. The goal of Windows was to reduce - or hide - complexity and lower the intellectual 'cost' of entry. It's not clear that newer versions have in fact accomplished that. :-) In other words, this read like any other popularized account - which would be expected, if it had been published in Ladies Home Journal. -- Ian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] UNIX turns forty 2009-06-05 16:06 ` Ian King @ 2009-06-05 18:29 ` John Cowan 2009-06-06 5:20 ` Ian King 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: John Cowan @ 2009-06-05 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw) Ian King scripsit: > Not a very *good* article, either, IMHO. One gets the impression the > author of the piece was given two or three pieces of data and > instructed to write a historical drama around them. A bit more than that: the author credits Salus as his main source, so if you want more detail, you know where to get it. Remember the target audience. > I also suspect he's never seen a PDP-7, either. Few of us have, and even fewer have seen one running Unix, I dare say. For that matter, I never saw a PDP-11 running Unix, though I certainly heard plenty about it: my first Unix-in-anger was MS Xenix System III on a PC/AT with a 10 Mb hard drive. > It was unnecessary to slam the PDP-7 to make > the point that Unix was created on a computer of modest resources. "Wimpy" is a disrespectful word, undoubtedly. > In other words, this read like any other popularized account - which > would be expected, if it had been published in Ladies Home Journal. Is it actually necessary to slam _Ladies' Home Journal_ to make the point that _Computerworld_ is a popularizing magazine? Have you ever read even a single issue of LHJ? I have read many of them, though admittedly not since the 1970s. -- John Cowan cowan at ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan The present impossibility of giving a scientific explanation is no proof that there is no scientific explanation. The unexplained is not to be identified with the unexplainable, and the strange and extraordinary nature of a fact is not a justification for attributing it to powers above nature. --The Catholic Encyclopedia, s.v. "telepathy" (1913) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] UNIX turns forty 2009-06-05 18:29 ` John Cowan @ 2009-06-06 5:20 ` Ian King 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Ian King @ 2009-06-06 5:20 UTC (permalink / raw) On Jun 5, 2009, at 11:29 AM, John Cowan wrote: > Ian King scripsit: >> > >> In other words, this read like any other popularized account - which >> would be expected, if it had been published in Ladies Home Journal. > > Is it actually necessary to slam _Ladies' Home Journal_ to make the > point > that _Computerworld_ is a popularizing magazine? Have you ever > read even > a single issue of LHJ? I have read many of them, though admittedly > not > since the 1970s. > I offer my sincere apology to Ladies Home Journal. -- Ian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] UNIX turns forty 2009-06-05 3:48 [TUHS] UNIX turns forty Brian S Walden 2009-06-05 4:18 ` Larry McVoy 2009-06-05 14:40 ` John Cowan @ 2009-06-05 18:40 ` Jason Stevens 2009-06-05 23:30 ` [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? Warren Toomey 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Jason Stevens @ 2009-06-05 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1587 bytes --] On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Brian S Walden<tuhs at cuzuco.com> wrote: > http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9133570 > I've just posted my $0.02 on the whole thing, but to recap I think it's lame the author didn't try to track down any actual digital artifacts of the era. I've tried to make the Unix v1 resurrection project more 'accessible' to the 'masses' (albeit windows masses).. But I guess it's just not glitzy enough.. Or they just don't realize that it even exists. I guess what it is coming down to, if you want it done 'right' you're going to have to do it yourself. And I guess that would be to make something detailed to categorized the evolutionary steps of Unix from all the versions that are in the TUHS/PUPS archive. And if the multiuser facilities exist, to make as may different versions (free/unencumbered or even 'commercial?') available online for people to kick the tires... I don't know I may be just dreaming in the sense I figure I'd probably end up with something just as empty, but would people be willing to put forth some kind of wiki of antidotes of their usage of various Unix on platforms? Maybe I'm just babbling so if it sounding too grandiose feel free to say I'm delusional. But in some way it’d be cool to have a “Unix museum” online that could walk you thru the various versions, show off the features of each, and allow the person to actually logon to a system.. That being said, is there a way to “cap” the amount of CPU that SIMH uses? Like a good old fashioned throttle? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? 2009-06-05 18:40 ` Jason Stevens @ 2009-06-05 23:30 ` Warren Toomey 2009-06-05 23:39 ` John Cowan ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Warren Toomey @ 2009-06-05 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 02:40:00PM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote: > I don't know I may be just dreaming in the sense I figure I'd probably > end up with something just as empty, but would people be willing to > put forth some kind of wiki of antidotes of their usage of various > Unix on platforms? Jason's e-mail gave me an idea. There's a website somewhere where some of the Mac developers captured anecdotes of the development of the Mac. How about a wiki-like website for Unix, which is a combination of an anecdote Wiki and a Wikipedia-for-Unix? The site could capture stories, technical documentation, historical summaries, usage tips etc. Where possible, articles would have citations, but the site should allow the storage of primary documents too, e.g. e-mails and old Usenet articles. I'd suggest that editing isn't open to the general public, but either by invitation or vetting. A group of people would be needed to watch out for seriously bad articles/editing. At the same time, Unix history has been very diverse and there has always been lots of opposing sub-groups, so the site would need to be able to capture & deal with this diversity, as would the people overseeing the site. Comments? Warren ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? 2009-06-05 23:30 ` [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? Warren Toomey @ 2009-06-05 23:39 ` John Cowan 2009-06-06 0:17 ` Larry McVoy 2009-07-05 9:25 ` [TUHS] www.tuhs.org now a MediaWiki Warren Toomey 2009-06-05 23:50 ` [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? Al Kossow ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: John Cowan @ 2009-06-05 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Warren Toomey scripsit: > Comments? Wikia uses MediaWiki, like Wikipedia, but is ad-driven and partitioned into individual wikis. Currently unix.wikia.com belongs to a spammer: maybe we could get it liberated by talking to the wikia admins. Alternatively, someone could host a MediaWiki installation. -- It was impossible to inveigle John Cowan <cowan at ccil.org> Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Into offering the slightest apology For his Phenomenology. --W. H. Auden, from "People" (1953) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? 2009-06-05 23:39 ` John Cowan @ 2009-06-06 0:17 ` Larry McVoy 2009-07-05 9:25 ` [TUHS] www.tuhs.org now a MediaWiki Warren Toomey 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Larry McVoy @ 2009-06-06 0:17 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 07:39:43PM -0400, John Cowan wrote: > Warren Toomey scripsit: > > > Comments? > > Wikia uses MediaWiki, like Wikipedia, but is ad-driven and partitioned > into individual wikis. Currently unix.wikia.com belongs to a spammer: > maybe we could get it liberated by talking to the wikia admins. > > Alternatively, someone could host a MediaWiki installation. We have 3Mbit/sec (two T1's bonded) to the net and an air conditioned machine room. I'm more than happy to stick a machine in that room and put whatever you guys want on it (debian? freebsd?) and make sure it is backed up. Other than that it's up to you, but if that helps I can have a box in there sometime next week. We do this for other folks, my sister is a director at Music Together and we've hosted their mail server for years. We're pretty stable as an organization, I can commit to a 5 year term and unless the shit hits the fan I see no reason it can't go longer than that. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] www.tuhs.org now a MediaWiki 2009-06-05 23:39 ` John Cowan 2009-06-06 0:17 ` Larry McVoy @ 2009-07-05 9:25 ` Warren Toomey 2009-07-05 17:28 ` Jim Capp 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Warren Toomey @ 2009-07-05 9:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Warren Toomey scripsit: > How about a wiki-like website for Unix, which is a combination of an > anecdote Wiki and a Wikipedia-for-Unix? Comments? On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 07:39:43PM -0400, John Cowan wrote: > Alternatively, someone could host a MediaWiki installation. OK, I've switched the TUHS website www.tuhs.org to be a mediawiki. Right now I have seeded the site with a few pages, but as with all wikis, we need a whole bunch of people to upload content. So if you have any anecdotes, or electronic documents, or any other Unix-related information, then please join the wiki and add it in! To join the wiki, click on the 'log in' link on the top-right, and then click 'request account', which will prep the account and wait for me to authorize it. At the moment, I have created a small set of page categories, listed below. If you can think of any other categories, feel free to edit http://www.tuhs.org/wiki/Wiki_Categories Cheers & thanks in advance for participating! Warren Pages on the Unix Heritage Society Wiki should belong to one of the following categories. If you can think of others, please edit this page. All pages should provide links and citations to allow the reader to verify the content. Anecdote: A story about Unix history or using Unix. Page should include the name of the person telling the anecdote, and details of the time period covering the anecdote. Artifact: a file (tarball, disk/tape image) or a system stored in the Unix Archive. The page should provide a web link to the artifact on minnie, and details of the artifact's provenance: how it came to be in the archive, who submitted it, where did the artifact come from etc. Book: a monograph (but not a paper or document, see below). Page must include citation details for the document, and if possible an image of the book cover. Summaries and reviews of a book are welcome. Document: a written document (but not a paper, see below). Page must include citation details for the document, and if possible a link to the document on-line. Entity: an organisation (e.g. AT&T, BTL, USL), or a group (e.g. CSRG). Page should provide details of the entity and their relationship to the history of Unix. Image: a visual image. Page should provide an explanation of the image and its relationship to the history of Unix, plus a link to the image on-line. Paper: a paper which appeared in a journal or conference. Page must include citation details for the paper, and if possible a link to the paper on-line. Person: an individual. Page should provide details of the person and their relationship to the history of Unix. Tip: a tip or suggestion for installing, configuring or using an old version of Unix. Version: a specific version of release of Unix. Page should detail the features of the version, its geneaology, date of release etc. If there is an artifact of this version in the Unix Archive, then the page should provide a link to the artifact's wiki page. _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] www.tuhs.org now a MediaWiki 2009-07-05 9:25 ` [TUHS] www.tuhs.org now a MediaWiki Warren Toomey @ 2009-07-05 17:28 ` Jim Capp 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Jim Capp @ 2009-07-05 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Warren, I'm excited about www.tuhs.org as a MediaWiki. In my spare time, I have been working on graphics and other anecdotes in celebration of UNIX turning 40. Some time ago I answered a post on TUHS regarding my idea of a site as a birthday tribute. I have reserved a number of domains and am working on just that. Much of the materials I have collected would also work very well on TUHS Wiki. I applied for access earlier today. Let me know where you need help. Also, as I mentioned in an earlier post, we developed and maintain the UNIX books list on groklaw's site. See groklib.anteil.com. Cheers, Jim Warren Toomey wrote: > Warren Toomey scripsit: > >> How about a wiki-like website for Unix, which is a combination of an >> anecdote Wiki and a Wikipedia-for-Unix? Comments? >> > > On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 07:39:43PM -0400, John Cowan wrote: > >> Alternatively, someone could host a MediaWiki installation. >> > > OK, I've switched the TUHS website www.tuhs.org to be a mediawiki. Right > now I have seeded the site with a few pages, but as with all wikis, > we need a whole bunch of people to upload content. So if you have any > anecdotes, or electronic documents, or any other Unix-related information, > then please join the wiki and add it in! > > To join the wiki, click on the 'log in' link on the top-right, and then > click 'request account', which will prep the account and wait for me to > authorize it. > > At the moment, I have created a small set of page categories, listed > below. If you can think of any other categories, feel free to edit > http://www.tuhs.org/wiki/Wiki_Categories > > Cheers & thanks in advance for participating! > > Warren > > Pages on the Unix Heritage Society Wiki should belong to one of the following categories. If you can think of others, please edit this page. All pages should provide links and citations to allow the reader to verify the content. > > Anecdote: A story about Unix history or using Unix. Page should include the name of the person telling the anecdote, and details of the time period covering the anecdote. > > Artifact: a file (tarball, disk/tape image) or a system stored in the Unix Archive. The page should provide a web link to the artifact on minnie, and details of the artifact's provenance: how it came to be in the archive, who submitted it, where did the artifact come from etc. > > Book: a monograph (but not a paper or document, see below). Page must include citation details for the document, and if possible an image of the book cover. Summaries and reviews of a book are welcome. > > Document: a written document (but not a paper, see below). Page must include citation details for the document, and if possible a link to the document on-line. > > Entity: an organisation (e.g. AT&T, BTL, USL), or a group (e.g. CSRG). Page should provide details of the entity and their relationship to the history of Unix. > > Image: a visual image. Page should provide an explanation of the image and its relationship to the history of Unix, plus a link to the image on-line. > > Paper: a paper which appeared in a journal or conference. Page must include citation details for the paper, and if possible a link to the paper on-line. > > Person: an individual. Page should provide details of the person and their relationship to the history of Unix. > > Tip: a tip or suggestion for installing, configuring or using an old version of Unix. > > Version: a specific version of release of Unix. Page should detail the features of the version, its geneaology, date of release etc. If there is an artifact of this version in the Unix Archive, then the page should provide a link to the artifact's wiki page. > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20090705/a4b6fcc1/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? 2009-06-05 23:30 ` [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? Warren Toomey 2009-06-05 23:39 ` John Cowan @ 2009-06-05 23:50 ` Al Kossow 2009-06-06 1:29 ` Jim Capp 2009-06-06 3:12 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey 3 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Al Kossow @ 2009-06-05 23:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Warren Toomey wrote: > Jason's e-mail gave me an idea. There's a website somewhere where some > of the Mac developers captured anecdotes of the development of the Mac. > http://www.folklore.org/index.py ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? 2009-06-05 23:30 ` [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? Warren Toomey 2009-06-05 23:39 ` John Cowan 2009-06-05 23:50 ` [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? Al Kossow @ 2009-06-06 1:29 ` Jim Capp 2009-06-06 3:12 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey 3 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Jim Capp @ 2009-06-06 1:29 UTC (permalink / raw) Warren Toomey wrote: > On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 02:40:00PM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote: > >> I don't know I may be just dreaming in the sense I figure I'd probably >> end up with something just as empty, but would people be willing to >> put forth some kind of wiki of antidotes of their usage of various >> Unix on platforms? >> > > Jason's e-mail gave me an idea. There's a website somewhere where some > of the Mac developers captured anecdotes of the development of the Mac. > How about a wiki-like website for Unix, which is a combination of an > anecdote Wiki and a Wikipedia-for-Unix? > > The site could capture stories, technical documentation, historical > summaries, usage tips etc. Where possible, articles would have citations, > but the site should allow the storage of primary documents too, e.g. > e-mails and old Usenet articles. > > I'd suggest that editing isn't open to the general public, but either by > invitation or vetting. A group of people would be needed to watch out for > seriously bad articles/editing. At the same time, Unix history has been > very diverse and there has always been lots of opposing sub-groups, so > the site would need to be able to capture & deal with this diversity, as > would the people overseeing the site. > > Comments? > Warren > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > Warren, Have you followed Groklaw? Years ago, we put together a simple database to capture information on UNIX, books, technical papers, etc., for Groklaw. It is still running to this day: http://groklib.anteil.com/books/basic_list It has a permanent spot on Groklaw's left hand menu ... http://www.groklaw.net We have physical and virtual servers located in a colo-center with dual 10-meg fiber to 8 N. Broad St. in Philadelphia. The site has battery and generator backup. Cheers, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20090605/714f6dbe/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? 2009-06-05 23:30 ` [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? Warren Toomey ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2009-06-06 1:29 ` Jim Capp @ 2009-06-06 3:12 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey 2009-06-06 4:11 ` John Cowan 3 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey @ 2009-06-06 3:12 UTC (permalink / raw) On Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 9:30:40 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 02:40:00PM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote: >> I don't know I may be just dreaming in the sense I figure I'd probably >> end up with something just as empty, but would people be willing to >> put forth some kind of wiki of antidotes of their usage of various >> Unix on platforms? > > Jason's e-mail gave me an idea. There's a website somewhere where some > of the Mac developers captured anecdotes of the development of the Mac. > How about a wiki-like website for Unix, which is a combination of an > anecdote Wiki and a Wikipedia-for-Unix? This is an excellent idea. Count me in, and count a vote for Mediawiki while you're at it. > I'd suggest that editing isn't open to the general public, but > either by invitation or vetting. A group of people would be needed > to watch out for seriously bad articles/editing. At the same time, > Unix history has been very diverse and there has always been lots of > opposing sub-groups, so the site would need to be able to capture & > deal with this diversity, as would the people overseeing the site. I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, it makes perfect sense. On the other, part of the advantage of things like Wikipedia is that everything's in one place. I honestly don't see the TUHS people being active enough to produce anywhere like as much material as is already present on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has various "projects" which concern themselves with certain subtopics (or they had them; looking at various pages, I can no longer see any hints). Does anybody know more details? If we could find a way to get a few knowledgeable, active people to ensure the consistency and accuracy of UNIX-related articles, that could be a better approach. Greg -- Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20090606/2304bd97/attachment.sig> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Wikipedia for Unix? 2009-06-06 3:12 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey @ 2009-06-06 4:11 ` John Cowan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: John Cowan @ 2009-06-06 4:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Greg 'groggy' Lehey scripsit: > On the other, part of the advantage of things like Wikipedia is that > everything's in one place. Ah, if only there were services that allowed people to find things on the Web, no matter what site they were on! > I honestly don't see the TUHS people being > active enough to produce anywhere like as much material as is already > present on Wikipedia. But on a private wiki there's no issue with "notability" and the Deletionist Brigade. -- John Cowan http://ccil.org/~cowan cowan at ccil.org [T]here is a Darwinian explanation for the refusal to accept Darwin. Given the very pessimistic conclusions about moral purpose to which his theory drives us, and given the importance of a sense of moral purpose in helping us cope with life, a refusal to believe Darwin's theory may have important survival value. --Ian Johnston ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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