From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Were cron and at done at the same time? Or one before the other?
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 11:58:54 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201209165854.GK52960@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2PXZY9aWgDf-RknROs6JbKEUjzbQ2BRzfTgTR07pXni3g@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 10:40:19AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> My point is that "intelligent design" doesn't necessarily guarantee
> goodness or for that matter,complete logical thinking.
There are some really great quotes, mostly from Linus, but I saw at
least one from Larry McVoy, here, on the subject of "Linux is all
about evolution, not intelligent design" here:
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmdA5WkDNALetBn4iFeSepHjdLGJdxPBwZyY47ir1bZGAK/comp/evolution.html
One of the quotes from Linus that is most pertinent for TUHS from the
above:
> There was a overall architecture, from Dennis and Ken.
Ask them. I'll bet you five bucks they'll agree with me, not with you.
I've talked to both, but not really about this particular issue, so I
might lose, but I think I've got the much better odds.
If you want to see a system that was more thoroughly _designed_, you
should probably point not to Dennis and Ken, but to systems like L4 and
Plan-9, and people like Jochen Liedtk and Rob Pike.
And notice how they aren't all that popular or well known? "Design" is
like a religion - too much of it makes you inflexibly and unpopular.
The very architecture of UNIX has very much been an evolution. Sure, there
are some basic ideas, but basic ideas do not make a system.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-12-09 17:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-12-09 4:35 M Douglas McIlroy
2020-12-09 15:40 ` Clem Cole
2020-12-09 15:46 ` Niklas Karlsson
2020-12-09 16:01 ` Bakul Shah
2020-12-09 16:11 ` Clem Cole
2020-12-09 17:05 ` Bakul Shah
2020-12-09 17:42 ` Dan Stromberg
2020-12-09 23:46 ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-12-14 20:28 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-12-14 22:23 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-12-14 23:04 ` Andrew Hume
2020-12-14 23:59 ` Harald Arnesen
2020-12-17 4:08 ` John Cowan
2020-12-15 2:57 ` Bakul Shah
2020-12-15 3:05 ` Warner Losh
[not found] ` <CAC20D2PXZY9aWgDf-RknROs6JbKEUjzbQ2BRzfTgTR07pXni3g@mail.g mail.com>
2020-12-09 16:04 ` John Foust
2020-12-09 16:40 ` Warner Losh
2020-12-09 16:53 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-12-09 16:58 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o [this message]
2020-12-09 19:58 ` Dan Cross
2020-12-09 20:30 ` Will Senn
2020-12-13 1:07 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-12-13 1:56 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-12-13 2:58 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-12-13 3:07 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-12-13 16:49 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-12-13 19:06 ` [TUHS] Were cron and at done at the same time? Or one before the other? [ really linux and filesystems ] Jon Steinhart
2020-12-13 3:02 ` [TUHS] Were cron and at done at the same time? Or one before the other? Dan Cross
2020-12-09 23:22 ` Bakul Shah
2020-12-09 23:44 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-12-09 23:51 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-12-10 0:19 ` [TUHS] Cole's Slaw John Gilmore
2020-12-10 0:29 ` Larry McVoy
2020-12-10 0:53 ` Erik E. Fair
2020-12-10 3:10 ` George Michaelson
2020-12-12 21:11 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-12-10 1:49 ` John Cowan
2020-12-10 2:12 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-12-12 2:56 ` [TUHS] Were cron and at done at the same time? Or one before the other? Dave Horsfall
2020-12-12 19:10 ` scj
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-12-13 2:02 Noel Chiappa
2020-12-13 2:08 ` Clem Cole
2020-12-09 19:25 Noel Chiappa
2020-12-08 18:11 ron minnich
2020-12-08 18:51 ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-12-08 19:05 ` Larry McVoy
2020-12-08 19:20 ` Michael Kjörling
2020-12-09 2:00 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-12-08 19:39 ` Clem Cole
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