* [TUHS] [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? @ 2023-01-27 8:53 arnold 2023-01-27 9:03 ` [TUHS] " Lars Brinkhoff ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: arnold @ 2023-01-27 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs Hi. I've been using trn for decades to read a very few USENET groups. Until recently I've been using aioe.org as my NNTP server but it seems to have gone dark. Before that I used eternal-september.org, but when I try that I now get: | $ NNTPSERVER=news.eternal-september.org trn | Connecting to news.eternal-september.org...Done. | | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.sys.3b1 | | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.sources.bugs | | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.misc | | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.compilers | .... And those all are (or were!) valid groups. If anyone has suggestions for a good free NNTP server, please let me know. Privately is fine. I'm at a bit of a loss otherwise. Thanks, Arnold ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 8:53 [TUHS] [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? arnold @ 2023-01-27 9:03 ` Lars Brinkhoff 2023-01-27 9:24 ` Ron Natalie 2023-01-27 10:36 ` parodper via TUHS ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Lars Brinkhoff @ 2023-01-27 9:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: arnold; +Cc: tuhs I use dotsrc.org (formerly sunsite.dk). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 9:03 ` [TUHS] " Lars Brinkhoff @ 2023-01-27 9:24 ` Ron Natalie 2023-01-27 9:34 ` John Cowan 2023-01-27 16:05 ` Larry McVoy 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Ron Natalie @ 2023-01-27 9:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Brinkhoff, Aharon Robbins; +Cc: tuhs Nothing on it but spam and porn now unfortunately. Such a shame. About the closest I’ve come to the sense of the old USENET is reddit. ------ Original Message ------ From "Lars Brinkhoff" <lars@nocrew.org> To arnold@skeeve.com Cc tuhs@tuhs.org Date 1/27/2023 4:03:36 AM Subject [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? >I use dotsrc.org (formerly sunsite.dk). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 9:24 ` Ron Natalie @ 2023-01-27 9:34 ` John Cowan 2023-01-27 16:05 ` Larry McVoy 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: John Cowan @ 2023-01-27 9:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ron Natalie; +Cc: tuhs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 580 bytes --] It depends on the newsgroup. I read c.l.scheme and c.l.pl1 at Google, and it's fine. On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 4:24 AM Ron Natalie <ron@ronnatalie.com> wrote: > Nothing on it but spam and porn now unfortunately. Such a shame. > About the closest I’ve come to the sense of the old USENET is reddit. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From "Lars Brinkhoff" <lars@nocrew.org> > To arnold@skeeve.com > Cc tuhs@tuhs.org > Date 1/27/2023 4:03:36 AM > Subject [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? > > >I use dotsrc.org (formerly sunsite.dk). > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1308 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 9:24 ` Ron Natalie 2023-01-27 9:34 ` John Cowan @ 2023-01-27 16:05 ` Larry McVoy 2023-01-27 17:01 ` Angel M Alganza 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Larry McVoy @ 2023-01-27 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ron Natalie; +Cc: tuhs On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 09:24:03AM +0000, Ron Natalie wrote: > Nothing on it but spam and porn now unfortunately. Such a shame. About > the closest I???ve come to the sense of the old USENET is reddit. Reddit is sort of a centralized Usenet with voting. In the old days, centralized would have never worked but it works now. If you can live with the fact that Reddit has a lot of echo chamber stuff going on, it's quite pleasant. Reddit is my primary news source these days and I wade through a lot of random stuff there. There is a lot of noise but once in a while some cancer thing will come up, I take a look at the comments, there will be an actual oncologist / cancer researcher in there who will say "yeah, this is in the lab only, not tested on humans, not interesting for at least 10-20 years" or, rarely, "this is very promising". For the latter, you go off and read the article. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 16:05 ` Larry McVoy @ 2023-01-27 17:01 ` Angel M Alganza 2023-01-27 17:08 ` Larry McVoy 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Angel M Alganza @ 2023-01-27 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs My lovely Sparc SS20, in which I used to do email and USENET news, broke down a few years ago and I haven't taken the time neither to bring it back to life nor to replicate my news set up (leafnode + tinn) somewhere else, so alas I haven't been checking the news for a (far too long) while now. On 2023-01-27 17:05, Larry McVoy wrote: > Reddit is sort of a centralized Usenet with voting. > Reddit is my primary news source these days and I wade through a lot of > random stuff there. There is a lot of noise but once in a while some I find the ratio signal/noise of Reddit far too low to use it as a regular news source for me. For technical news, there is Hacker News (HN), which in place of a voting system, has a tipping system which rewards with small amounts of money the more interesting/useful posts and comments. In the same line, there is also Stacker News (SN), which uses Bitcoin on the Lightning Network for tips. Contents there are more focused about Bitcoin and economics, but more users are joining and proposing to widen the areas of focus on the site: technology, computing, etc. Both, HN and SN are centralized, but we are having discussions on SN about the possibility for SN to be converted to a Nostr client, which would keep the great spirit and maintain the interface, but replace its back-end (currently a centralized database) with Nostr relays, making it truly decentralized, much more robust, fault tolerant, and censorship resistant. I'm using Nostr more and more everyday, and I think it's soon will be my primary news source. If you have a look at SN and decide to join, please consider using my referral link: https://stacker.news/r/ama, so that when you stack your satoshi (Bitcoin tips), I get some little percentage, too, if you don't mind. :-) Hit me at Nostr at https://astral.ninja/npub1ttk90a6kkphe9h0dys9mqy38wxa7t4t7g39vys76f4cglqr49rgqh6xxpx where I'd love for notes about the unix in general and its history in particular to start accumulating. Cheers, Ángel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 17:01 ` Angel M Alganza @ 2023-01-27 17:08 ` Larry McVoy 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Larry McVoy @ 2023-01-27 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ama; +Cc: tuhs On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 06:01:03PM +0100, Angel M Alganza wrote: > I find the ratio signal/noise of Reddit far too low to use it as a regular > news source for me. For technical news, there is Hacker News (HN), which in > place of a voting system, has a tipping system which rewards with small > amounts of money the more interesting/useful posts and comments. I left hacker news a few years ago for two reasons: A) the signal noise ratio, as a systems person, is awful. They talk about trivial stuff like it is a big deal. There is very little in the way of interesting stuff there. It all sounds technical until you look into it, it's 98% fluff. B) There is some paid(?) schill there who stomps on anyone saying anything bad about Roundup. Cancer got my dad, he got it from Roundup. Every time I tried point out I had personal data on the topic (and all you have to do is google Roundup and cancer and you get a bizillion law firms who want to represent you), this schill jumped on me. I complained to the admins and they did nothing, so I left. They were getting more out of me than I was getting out of that site so sucks to be them. On the signal/noise on reddit, /r/news is reasonable and not that different than Google news other than it shows up on reddit first. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 8:53 [TUHS] [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? arnold 2023-01-27 9:03 ` [TUHS] " Lars Brinkhoff @ 2023-01-27 10:36 ` parodper via TUHS 2023-01-27 14:45 ` Ralph Corderoy ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: parodper via TUHS @ 2023-01-27 10:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 891 bytes --] O 27/01/23 ás 09:53, arnold@skeeve.com escribiu: > Hi. > > I've been using trn for decades to read a very few USENET groups. Until recently I've > been using aioe.org as my NNTP server but it seems to have gone dark. According to a poster on eternal-september.support AIOE's RAID failed and they're trying to get it up again. > Before that > I used eternal-september.org, but when I try that I now get: > > | $ NNTPSERVER=news.eternal-september.org trn > | Connecting to news.eternal-september.org...Done. > | > | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.sys.3b1 > | > | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.sources.bugs > | > | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.misc > | > | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.compilers > | .... > > And those all are (or were!) valid groups. I just tried, and I can access those groups from eternal-september.org. [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 840 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 8:53 [TUHS] [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? arnold 2023-01-27 9:03 ` [TUHS] " Lars Brinkhoff 2023-01-27 10:36 ` parodper via TUHS @ 2023-01-27 14:45 ` Ralph Corderoy 2023-01-27 14:51 ` Ron Natalie 2023-01-27 14:56 ` Ron Young via TUHS 2023-01-27 17:39 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS 2023-01-28 0:23 ` Kevin Bowling 4 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Ralph Corderoy @ 2023-01-27 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs Hi Arnold, > I've been using trn for decades Very fond memories of trn(1). In comparison, I've never seen a web interface, e.g. for RSS reading, be so geared towards the user and his likely actions whilst also allowing for powerful expression. > to read a very few USENET groups. Bringing it back to heritage, I was wondering about Usenet the other day. Deja News was excellent, Google Groups is pitiful. A good search of a comprehensive, historic Usenet archive would be useful from the TUHS side, but I expect modern analysis means it would also be interesting to those wanting cultural analysis of a subset of the public in earlier decades. Henry Spencer's UTZOO archive is available. Sites like https://www.usenetarchives.com have used it in the past, but none I know of are well maintained. In part, anything popular would attract legal requests for posts to be taken down; IIRC that's why archive.org took down their official copy of UTZOO. But the data is so small by modern standards, perhaps a self-hosted searcher is a way forward. -- Cheers, Ralph. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 14:45 ` Ralph Corderoy @ 2023-01-27 14:51 ` Ron Natalie 2023-01-27 14:56 ` Ron Young via TUHS 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Ron Natalie @ 2023-01-27 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ralph Corderoy, tuhs I also remember alt.2600. Because of my work in security I was encouraged to keep tabs on such things (also had the government buy me a subscription to the printed 2600). It was set up as a moderated group, but there was no moderator. Your right to post was derived by the fact that you knew how to forge the approved line into the header to get it distributed. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 14:45 ` Ralph Corderoy 2023-01-27 14:51 ` Ron Natalie @ 2023-01-27 14:56 ` Ron Young via TUHS 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Ron Young via TUHS @ 2023-01-27 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs On January 27, 2023 6:45:52 AM PST, Ralph Corderoy <ralph@inputplus.co.uk> wrote: >Hi Arnold, > >> I've been using trn for decades > >Very fond memories of trn(1). In comparison, I've never seen a web >interface, e.g. for RSS reading, be so geared towards the user and his >likely actions whilst also allowing for powerful expression. > >> to read a very few USENET groups. > I'm still using trn4 and stunnel4 to to read news from supernews... Works great. (UN) fortunately it is only for a small number of groups. -ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 8:53 [TUHS] [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? arnold ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2023-01-27 14:45 ` Ralph Corderoy @ 2023-01-27 17:39 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS 2023-01-27 17:42 ` Henry Mensch 2023-01-29 9:00 ` arnold 2023-01-28 0:23 ` Kevin Bowling 4 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS @ 2023-01-27 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: arnold; +Cc: TUHS arnold@skeeve.com writes: > If anyone has suggestions for a good free NNTP server, please let me > know. Not free, but very cheap: I use news.individual.net, run by the Freie Universität Berlin, where the subscription fee is a mere 10 euros/year. -tih -- Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the significance of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 17:39 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS @ 2023-01-27 17:42 ` Henry Mensch 2023-01-27 19:23 ` Stuff Received 2023-01-29 9:00 ` arnold 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Henry Mensch @ 2023-01-27 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Henry Mensch; +Cc: TUHS I'd like to find solid Android and Windows clients so I could once again use USENET. The web interfaces I've seen have been pretty awful for the way I want to use it. - Henry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> Sent: 27 January 2023 12:39 To: arnold@skeeve.com Cc: TUHS@tuhs.org Subject: [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? arnold@skeeve.com writes: > If anyone has suggestions for a good free NNTP server, please let me > know. Not free, but very cheap: I use news.individual.net, run by the Freie Universität Berlin, where the subscription fee is a mere 10 euros/year. -tih -- Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the significance of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 17:42 ` Henry Mensch @ 2023-01-27 19:23 ` Stuff Received 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Stuff Received @ 2023-01-27 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs; +Cc: coff On 2023-01-27 12:42, Henry Mensch wrote (in part): > I'd like to find solid Android and Windows clients so I could once again use USENET. I read USENET (at Newsdemon -- USD3 monthly) with Firefox (on MacOS) but presumably will also work on Windows. N. (We seem to have strayed into COFF territory...) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 17:39 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS 2023-01-27 17:42 ` Henry Mensch @ 2023-01-29 9:00 ` arnold 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: arnold @ 2023-01-29 9:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tih, arnold; +Cc: TUHS Tom Ivar Helbekkmo <tih@hamartun.priv.no> wrote: > arnold@skeeve.com writes: > > > If anyone has suggestions for a good free NNTP server, please let me > > know. > > Not free, but very cheap: I use news.individual.net, run by the Freie > Universität Berlin, where the subscription fee is a mere 10 euros/year. > > -tih > -- > Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the significance > of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay Thanks for this, and thanks to everyone else who responded. Arnold ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-27 8:53 [TUHS] [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? arnold ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2023-01-27 17:39 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS @ 2023-01-28 0:23 ` Kevin Bowling 2023-01-28 10:15 ` Andy Kosela 4 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Kevin Bowling @ 2023-01-28 0:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: arnold; +Cc: tuhs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1025 bytes --] On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 1:54 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote: > Hi. > > I've been using trn for decades to read a very few USENET groups. Until > recently I've > been using aioe.org as my NNTP server but it seems to have gone dark. > Before that > I used eternal-september.org, but when I try that I now get: > > | $ NNTPSERVER=news.eternal-september.org trn > | Connecting to news.eternal-september.org...Done. > | > | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.sys.3b1 > | > | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.sources.bugs > | > | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.misc > | > | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.compilers > | .... > > And those all are (or were!) valid groups. If anyone has suggestions for a > good > free NNTP server, please let me know. Privately is fine. I'm at a bit of > a loss otherwise. > I maintain inn and some related ports for FreeBSD. I run a public server at csiph.com and am happy to provide accounts or peering to interested parties. Read access is open. > Thanks, > > Arnold > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1939 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-28 0:23 ` Kevin Bowling @ 2023-01-28 10:15 ` Andy Kosela 2023-01-28 17:01 ` John Cowan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Andy Kosela @ 2023-01-28 10:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kevin Bowling; +Cc: tuhs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1835 bytes --] On Saturday, January 28, 2023, Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 1:54 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> I've been using trn for decades to read a very few USENET groups. Until >> recently I've >> been using aioe.org as my NNTP server but it seems to have gone dark. >> Before that >> I used eternal-september.org, but when I try that I now get: >> >> | $ NNTPSERVER=news.eternal-september.org trn >> | Connecting to news.eternal-september.org...Done. >> | >> | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.sys.3b1 >> | >> | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.sources.bugs >> | >> | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.misc >> | >> | Invalid (bogus) newsgroup found: comp.compilers >> | .... >> >> And those all are (or were!) valid groups. If anyone has suggestions for >> a good >> free NNTP server, please let me know. Privately is fine. I'm at a bit of >> a loss otherwise. >> > > I maintain inn and some related ports for FreeBSD. I run a public server > at csiph.com and am happy to provide accounts or peering to interested > parties. Read access is open. > >> >> Great initiative and idea! While I am personally not interested in reading USENET that much nowadays, the concept of providing free, public access to classic Internet services (public USENET, FTP, IRC, finger, etc.) gets all my praise. What happened to free, public services these days? Everything appears to to be subscriber pay-as-you-go based. The commercialization killed the free spirit of Internet we all loved in the 90s. PS> And I also love the layout of your website. Plain HTML with no fancy css, js bloat; classic colors with white background. I miss it on the Internet. These modern color themes with dark backrounds is getting harder and harder to read and is just awful if you ask me. --Andy [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2963 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Re: [off-topic] Anyone still using USENET? 2023-01-28 10:15 ` Andy Kosela @ 2023-01-28 17:01 ` John Cowan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: John Cowan @ 2023-01-28 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy Kosela; +Cc: tuhs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 472 bytes --] > > >>> Great initiative and idea! While I am personally not interested in > reading USENET that much nowadays, the concept of providing free, public > access to classic Internet services (public USENET, FTP, IRC, finger, etc.) > gets all my praise. What happened to free, public services these days? > Everything appears to to be subscriber pay-as-you-go based. The > commercialization killed the free spirit of Internet we all loved in the > 90s. > See tildeverse.org. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1210 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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