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From: Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
To: Chris Hanson <cmhanson@eschatologist.net>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix APIs: elegant or not?
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 10:52:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3694A06C-26E9-4325-92AB-7A937B8D82B9@bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9AD89116-0552-440F-A251-1E93AA150B93@eschatologist.net>



> On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:53 AM, Chris Hanson <cmhanson@eschatologist.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2018, at 3:20 AM, Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
>> 
>> With Unix, everything looks like a file, but as I said, the sockets API broke that convention, forcing users to work at a much lower level than necessary.
> 
> This was broken from the start though, and always really meant everything looks like a file *descriptor*, not a path in the filesystem.

A “file” descriptor is very much like a capability, a handle.
This is separate from hierarchical naming intended for humans.
They are both needed. An ability to name something doesn’t
give you an automatic right to access it. And you don’t always
need to name something. For instance creating a pipe. The
third feature was capturing IO operations to a rather diverse set
of devices and files in a relatively simple interface. The fourth
feature that first attracted me first to Unix was its simple scheme
of major, minor device numbers. The “elegance” of Unix was that
you could get a lot done using a few abstractions. They were not
perfect but were good enough for the most part.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-04 19:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-31  4:38 Warren Toomey
2018-10-31 15:47 ` Paul Winalski
2018-10-31 17:22   ` Clem Cole
2018-10-31 19:33     ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-10-31 20:57   ` G. Branden Robinson
2018-10-31 21:31   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-01  7:42     ` Pierre DAVID
2018-11-01 10:20       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-01 12:57         ` Clem Cole
2018-11-01 14:19           ` ron minnich
2018-11-01 14:41             ` Clem Cole
2018-11-01 16:43               ` Warner Losh
2018-11-01 16:48                 ` ron minnich
2018-11-01 16:56                   ` Warner Losh
2018-11-02  5:24                   ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-04 10:53         ` Chris Hanson
2018-11-04 15:34           ` ron minnich
2018-11-04 17:06             ` Warner Losh
2018-11-04 20:00               ` ron minnich
2018-11-04 18:52           ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2018-11-04 10:49 ` Chris Hanson
2018-11-04 12:28   ` arnold
2018-11-04 21:34     ` Chris Hanson
2018-11-05 14:11       ` Donald ODona
2018-11-04 13:35   ` Warner Losh
2018-11-04 19:47   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-01 15:39 Noel Chiappa
2018-11-04 22:29 Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-04 22:37 Noel Chiappa
2018-11-05  4:04 ` Dave Horsfall

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