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* [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
@ 2019-09-21 13:32 Eric Allman
  2019-09-21 14:08 ` Arrigo Triulzi
  2019-09-21 16:39 ` Clem Cole
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eric Allman @ 2019-09-21 13:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Historic Society

Warner's talk just finished --- it was excellent.  Those of you who
didn't see it live might well want to see the recording when it comes out.

eric

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* Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
  2019-09-21 13:32 [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk Eric Allman
@ 2019-09-21 14:08 ` Arrigo Triulzi
  2019-09-21 14:44   ` Eric Allman
  2019-09-21 16:39 ` Clem Cole
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Arrigo Triulzi @ 2019-09-21 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Allman; +Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society

On 21 Sep 2019, at 15:33, Eric Allman <tuhs@eric.allman.name> wrote:
> 
> Warner's talk just finished --- it was excellent.  Those of you who
> didn't see it live might well want to see the recording when it comes out.

That’s high praise! Let us know when it is out and where, please.

Arrigo 
> 
> eric


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* Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
  2019-09-21 14:08 ` Arrigo Triulzi
@ 2019-09-21 14:44   ` Eric Allman
  2019-09-25 14:41     ` Arrigo Triulzi
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eric Allman @ 2019-09-21 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Arrigo Triulzi; +Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society

> That’s high praise! Let us know when it is out and where, please.

Word this morning was that the recordings will be up in "a couple of
days".  Keep an eye on https://2019.eurobsdcon.org/ — at the moment
there's a "livestream" pull-down, which I predict will be replaced with
a pointer to the recordings (although they could end up elsewhere; I
have no inside information).

eric

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* Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
  2019-09-21 13:32 [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk Eric Allman
  2019-09-21 14:08 ` Arrigo Triulzi
@ 2019-09-21 16:39 ` Clem Cole
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Clem Cole @ 2019-09-21 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Allman; +Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society

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Wonderful

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 9:33 AM Eric Allman <tuhs@eric.allman.name> wrote:

> Warner's talk just finished --- it was excellent.  Those of you who
> didn't see it live might well want to see the recording when it comes out.
>
> eric
>

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* Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
  2019-09-21 14:44   ` Eric Allman
@ 2019-09-25 14:41     ` Arrigo Triulzi
  2019-09-25 15:09       ` Warner Losh
  2019-09-25 16:48       ` Eric Allman
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Arrigo Triulzi @ 2019-09-25 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Allman; +Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society

On 21 Sep 2019, at 16:44, Eric Allman <tuhs@eric.allman.name> wrote:
> Word this morning was that the recordings will be up in "a couple of
> days".  Keep an eye on https://2019.eurobsdcon.org/ — at the moment
> there's a "livestream" pull-down, which I predict will be replaced with
> a pointer to the recordings (although they could end up elsewhere; I
> have no inside information).

None of the talks appear to be published and, even more sadly, neither have slides appeared with the exception of the keynote on silly Slideshare.

I really hope they don’t disappear without trace.

Arrigo


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* Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
  2019-09-25 14:41     ` Arrigo Triulzi
@ 2019-09-25 15:09       ` Warner Losh
  2019-09-25 15:17         ` Arrigo Triulzi
  2019-09-25 16:48       ` Eric Allman
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Warner Losh @ 2019-09-25 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Arrigo Triulzi; +Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 8:43 AM Arrigo Triulzi <arrigo@alchemistowl.org>
wrote:

> On 21 Sep 2019, at 16:44, Eric Allman <tuhs@eric.allman.name> wrote:
> > Word this morning was that the recordings will be up in "a couple of
> > days".  Keep an eye on https://2019.eurobsdcon.org/ — at the moment
> > there's a "livestream" pull-down, which I predict will be replaced with
> > a pointer to the recordings (although they could end up elsewhere; I
> > have no inside information).
>
> None of the talks appear to be published and, even more sadly, neither
> have slides appeared with the exception of the keynote on silly Slideshare.
>
> I really hope they don’t disappear without trace.
>

Slides have been published, though maybe not through the EuroBSDCon site. I
wasn't aware that I could publish them there.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/177KxOif5oHARyIdZHDq-OO67_GVtMkzIAlDX-cHxgb4/edit?usp=sharing

I'm told it will be a small number of weeks before the bsdtv folks that
taped everything can edit the talks down from the raw footage and post them
to youtube. They have the raw livestream, but a small number of tweaks need
to be made to each talk.

I'll be writing a followup paper, as well as an article for the FreeBSD
Journal. There's a number of small technical errors in the talk owing to
two factors: (1) I couldn't see my speaker notes during the talk so I think
I misspoke or neglected to include a clarifying sentence or two that I'd
planned and (2) I found more original material that helped to clarify
timelines (eg: PWB 1.0 was distributed outside of bell labs: it was V6 +
the "50 changes" based, but still retained features like the V6 TTY driver.
This was in 1978, about a year before V7 was released. PWB 2.0 was fully V7
based and included updates to the tools PWB added, exact details TBD). I
did talk a little about the ambiguity between UNIX/TS and PWB/UNIX 3.0 in
the talk, but the details of that need to be ironed out a bit. I hope to go
through more original sources to figure all that out as different people
remember things slightly differently, and sometimes contemporary
documentation or scholarly papers contradicts the remembrance so I need to
sort that out better, as well as where I can run diffs between supposed
sources of things to find as much of the truth around this that I can.

I hope to give this talk again, with some tweaks, since it was well
received. It's been a while since my talks have provoked that much
enthusiastic energy in the room. Maybe FOSDEM, BSDCan and something Linux
oriented / related in the US.

Warner

Warner

Warner

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* Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
  2019-09-25 15:09       ` Warner Losh
@ 2019-09-25 15:17         ` Arrigo Triulzi
  2019-09-25 15:26           ` Warner Losh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Arrigo Triulzi @ 2019-09-25 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warner Losh; +Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society

On 25 Sep 2019, at 17:09, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
> Slides have been published, though maybe not through the EuroBSDCon site. I wasn't aware that I could publish them there.

I was under the mistaken impression that recordings of the talks would be made available on the site - I generally find it rather useful when conferences have slides, papers and recordings available on the web pages of past conferences, e.g. Usenix.

> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/177KxOif5oHARyIdZHDq-OO67_GVtMkzIAlDX-cHxgb4/edit?usp=sharing

Ah, that’s the final version of what we got a preview of?

> I'm told it will be a small number of weeks before the bsdtv folks that taped everything can edit the talks down from the raw footage and post them to youtube. They have the raw livestream, but a small number of tweaks need to be made to each talk.

Right, that makes sense. I would like to see the “colour” which goes with the slides, i.e. all that isn’t written down..

> I'll be writing a followup paper, as well as an article for the FreeBSD Journal. There's a number of small technical errors in the talk owing to two factors: (1) I couldn't see my speaker notes during the talk so I think I misspoke or neglected to include a clarifying sentence or two that I'd planned and (2) I found more original material that helped to clarify timelines (eg: PWB 1.0 was distributed outside of bell labs: it was V6 + the "50 changes" based, but still retained features like the V6 TTY driver. This was in 1978, about a year before V7 was released. PWB 2.0 was fully V7 based and included updates to the tools PWB added, exact details TBD). I did talk a little about the ambiguity between UNIX/TS and PWB/UNIX 3.0 in the talk, but the details of that need to be ironed out a bit. I hope to go through more original sources to figure all that out as different people remember things slightly differently, and sometimes contemporary documentation or scholarly papers contradicts the remembrance so I need to sort that out better, as well as where I can run diffs between supposed sources of things to find as much of the truth around this that I can.

That is wonderful! I have been desperately trying to find the Unix tapes which made it to the University of Milan “Cybernetics” department back in the 70s but have failed miserably. Most of the people who were there at the time are sadly no longer with us and my dad can’t remember who had them. All that I have left is the photocopied Unix manual with the cover printed by the department in Italian, an nth copy Lions and then other bits and pieces. All the rest is gone forever (or, more likely, in some Italian state warehouse since the bureaucracy necessary to throw anything away, or donate it, was so daunting it was just stuck somewhere). Unfortunately there were three physical moves of the department so chances are the cellars were cleaned out by workers.

Thank you again for the talk!

Arrigo


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* Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
  2019-09-25 15:17         ` Arrigo Triulzi
@ 2019-09-25 15:26           ` Warner Losh
  2019-09-25 15:32             ` Arrigo Triulzi
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Warner Losh @ 2019-09-25 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Arrigo Triulzi; +Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:17 AM Arrigo Triulzi <arrigo@alchemistowl.org>
wrote:

> On 25 Sep 2019, at 17:09, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
> > Slides have been published, though maybe not through the EuroBSDCon
> site. I wasn't aware that I could publish them there.
>
> I was under the mistaken impression that recordings of the talks would be
> made available on the site - I generally find it rather useful when
> conferences have slides, papers and recordings available on the web pages
> of past conferences, e.g. Usenix.
>

I think that links to the talks will be there, but they will be uploaded to
youtube. Most conferences give some instructions to speakers for uploading
talk related materials, but I've not seen anything from EuroBSDcon. Most
likely it is in a spam folder :(


> >
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/177KxOif5oHARyIdZHDq-OO67_GVtMkzIAlDX-cHxgb4/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Ah, that’s the final version of what we got a preview of?
>

Yes.


> > I'm told it will be a small number of weeks before the bsdtv folks that
> taped everything can edit the talks down from the raw footage and post them
> to youtube. They have the raw livestream, but a small number of tweaks need
> to be made to each talk.
>
> Right, that makes sense. I would like to see the “colour” which goes with
> the slides, i.e. all that isn’t written down..
>

I hope it will be there as well. I quite enjoyed giving the talk, though
the audience was small.


> > I'll be writing a followup paper, as well as an article for the FreeBSD
> Journal. There's a number of small technical errors in the talk owing to
> two factors: (1) I couldn't see my speaker notes during the talk so I think
> I misspoke or neglected to include a clarifying sentence or two that I'd
> planned and (2) I found more original material that helped to clarify
> timelines (eg: PWB 1.0 was distributed outside of bell labs: it was V6 +
> the "50 changes" based, but still retained features like the V6 TTY driver.
> This was in 1978, about a year before V7 was released. PWB 2.0 was fully V7
> based and included updates to the tools PWB added, exact details TBD). I
> did talk a little about the ambiguity between UNIX/TS and PWB/UNIX 3.0 in
> the talk, but the details of that need to be ironed out a bit. I hope to go
> through more original sources to figure all that out as different people
> remember things slightly differently, and sometimes contemporary
> documentation or scholarly papers contradicts the remembrance so I need to
> sort that out better, as well as where I can run diffs between supposed
> sources of things to find as much of the truth around this that I can.
>
> That is wonderful! I have been desperately trying to find the Unix tapes
> which made it to the University of Milan “Cybernetics” department back in
> the 70s but have failed miserably. Most of the people who were there at the
> time are sadly no longer with us and my dad can’t remember who had them.
> All that I have left is the photocopied Unix manual with the cover printed
> by the department in Italian, an nth copy Lions and then other bits and
> pieces. All the rest is gone forever (or, more likely, in some Italian
> state warehouse since the bureaucracy necessary to throw anything away, or
> donate it, was so daunting it was just stuck somewhere). Unfortunately
> there were three physical moves of the department so chances are the
> cellars were cleaned out by workers.
>

I would love to find that as well... At least one person came up to me
after the talk and told me about a set of Onyx Z8000 System III manuals he
had that we're making arrangements to find a good home (like maybe mine).
Future versions of this talk will likely include a plea for people to
contact me with historic artifacts so I might be able to copy them...

Warner


> Thank you again for the talk!
>
> Arrigo
>
>

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* Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
  2019-09-25 15:26           ` Warner Losh
@ 2019-09-25 15:32             ` Arrigo Triulzi
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Arrigo Triulzi @ 2019-09-25 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warner Losh; +Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society

On 25 Sep 2019, at 17:26, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
> I would love to find that as well... At least one person came up to me after the talk and told me about a set of Onyx Z8000 System III manuals he had that we're making arrangements to find a good home (like maybe mine). Future versions of this talk will likely include a plea for people to contact me with historic artifacts so I might be able to copy them…

Wait! I /have/ those: that’s the first Unix system we had at home (as opposed to having to dial into the university). It used to sit on its pedestal under my uncle’s home office table (how he worked with that noise I have no idea), I need to dig them up from my dad’s cellar but I am certain we have them, probably also some tapes. The machine is, sadly, long gone. I have fond memories of vi & C on that machine typing on my very own Italian ADM 3A clone instead of having to share dad’s TTY and modem.

Arrigo


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* Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk
  2019-09-25 14:41     ` Arrigo Triulzi
  2019-09-25 15:09       ` Warner Losh
@ 2019-09-25 16:48       ` Eric Allman
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Eric Allman @ 2019-09-25 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Arrigo Triulzi; +Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society

I just got word from the EuroBSDcon crew requesting that authors submit
PDF of their slides for publication and mentioning that the recordings
will be available "in two to three months".  I was under the impression
that it would be a matter of days or maybe weeks instead of months ---
my fault entirely.  I'm pretty sure they are not going to disappear
though.  The A/V crew was very professional this year and it looks like
the source material should be excellent.

eric


On 2019-09-25 16:41 , Arrigo Triulzi wrote:
> On 21 Sep 2019, at 16:44, Eric Allman <tuhs@eric.allman.name> wrote:
>> Word this morning was that the recordings will be up in "a couple of
>> days".  Keep an eye on https://2019.eurobsdcon.org/ — at the moment
>> there's a "livestream" pull-down, which I predict will be replaced with
>> a pointer to the recordings (although they could end up elsewhere; I
>> have no inside information).
> 
> None of the talks appear to be published and, even more sadly, neither have slides appeared with the exception of the keynote on silly Slideshare.
> 
> I really hope they don’t disappear without trace.
> 
> Arrigo
> 

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