From: Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com>
To: Ralph Corderoy <ralph@inputplus.co.uk>
Cc: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] The Unix shell: a 50-year view
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2021 09:54:28 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEdTPBer7fHrdcF6oXnmtFLOjVuwhAfiyc3eLkr__9AM-ORX1w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210710115135.22FDC21C4E@orac.inputplus.co.uk>
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I'm going to come right out ahead of any path to the contrary and say that
I'm in favor of the lockdowns that were enacted in the US. I very plainly
do not trust the population here to make reasonable decisions, even in the
face of clearly presented evidence to the contrary. Furthermore, I have
not seen any evidence that US lawmakers acted according to any model
whatsoever.
The evidence being what it is, I applaud UK lawmakers for acting as they
did, and our hindsight evidence can only support increased funding for
statistical modeling. It wasn't a widely regarded field before this and I
can only hope that its support improves after this.
-Henry
On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 at 08:02, Ralph Corderoy <ralph@inputplus.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Jon Steinhart wrote:
> > In lectures these days, I'm asking the question "We haven't managed to
> > off more than a thousand or so people at a time with a software bug
> > yet so what's going to be software's Union Carbide Bhopal moment?"
>
> If buggy code rather than a single bug counts then the software model
> written over fifteen years by Neil Ferguson of Imperial College, London,
> which has been instrumental in poor UK Government policy decisions on
> COVID-19 has easily topped more than a thousand deaths in the net tally.
>
> It was a single 15,000-line file of C, written by a non-programmer.
> Eventually, ic.ac.uk released a C++ version which had been worked on by
> Microsoft and other volunteers for a month so it could face the public.
>
> ‘For me the code is not a mess, but it’s all in my head, completely
> undocumented. Nobody would be able to use it... and I don’t have
> the bandwidth to support individual users.’ ― Neil Ferguson.
>
> Politician Steve Baker MP, a former senior programmer, has been critical
> of the public version and commissioned a review by Mike Hearn. A path
> to Hearn's paper starts at
> https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1323897771510943745.html
>
> And another coder critique is at
> https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/
>
> The numbers from Ferguson's original pre-release C program were
> presented by him to Number 10 and were instrumental in setting the UK on
> the path of lockdowns. ‘...lockdowns are the single worst public health
> mistake in the last 100 years’ ― Jay Bhattacharya, professor of medicine
> at Stanford University.
>
> --
> Cheers, Ralph.
>
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Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-02 21:24 [TUHS] [tuhs] " Nelson H. F. Beebe
2021-07-02 21:36 ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-02 21:56 ` Henry Bent
2021-07-02 23:12 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-07-02 23:49 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-07-03 13:34 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-07-03 13:56 ` Richard Salz
2021-07-03 12:04 ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-07-03 13:20 ` Dan Cross
2021-07-03 17:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-07-03 17:57 ` Warner Losh
2021-07-03 18:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-07-03 20:02 ` Dan Cross
2021-07-04 0:47 ` Tomasz Rola
2021-07-04 4:36 ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-04 14:56 ` Dan Cross
2021-07-04 16:07 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-07-04 20:10 ` David Barto
2021-07-05 0:25 ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-05 1:23 ` John Cowan
2021-07-04 12:48 ` Dan Cross
2021-07-05 7:14 ` Tomasz Rola
2021-07-05 16:26 ` John Cowan
2021-07-06 23:17 ` Tomasz Rola
2021-07-06 23:47 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-07-06 23:49 ` Warner Losh
2021-07-06 23:48 ` John Cowan
2021-07-07 0:46 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-07-07 0:58 ` George Michaelson
2021-07-07 2:48 ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-07 18:32 ` Tomasz Rola
2021-07-07 20:50 ` Michael Kjörling
2021-07-08 6:46 ` [TUHS] Overgrown ffox (was: The Unix shell: a 50-year view) Tomasz Rola
2021-07-08 13:59 ` Derek Fawcus
2021-07-08 19:25 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-07-08 19:37 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-07-08 20:40 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-07-08 22:23 ` Kevin Bowling
2021-07-08 21:47 ` [TUHS] [tuhs] The Unix shell: a 50-year view Theodore Ts'o
2021-07-09 20:14 ` Michael Kjörling
2021-07-07 13:54 ` Tony Finch
2021-07-06 16:05 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-09 22:19 ` Tomasz Rola
2021-07-04 20:10 ` Tony Finch
2021-07-05 3:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-07-05 15:08 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-07-05 3:52 ` Bakul Shah
2021-07-04 18:17 ` John Dow via TUHS
2021-07-04 19:46 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-05 1:33 ` Noel Hunt
2021-07-05 2:38 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-05 2:51 ` Warner Losh
2021-07-05 3:03 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-05 3:01 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-05 5:22 ` Noel Hunt
2021-07-06 5:10 ` Nevin Liber
2021-07-06 13:30 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-06 16:23 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-07-07 1:57 ` Dan Cross
2021-07-07 2:52 ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-07 5:19 ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-07-07 18:28 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-07-10 11:51 ` [TUHS] " Ralph Corderoy
2021-07-10 13:54 ` Henry Bent [this message]
2021-07-10 14:12 ` Ralph Corderoy
2021-07-10 16:57 ` [TUHS] Death by bug [formerly The Unix shell: a 50-year view] Jon Steinhart
2021-07-11 8:53 ` [TUHS] Death by bug Ralph Corderoy
2021-07-11 9:04 ` arnold
2021-07-12 1:42 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2021-07-12 2:57 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-07-12 6:39 ` arnold
2021-07-12 9:56 ` Ralph Corderoy
2021-07-11 16:10 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-07-12 10:37 ` Ralph Corderoy
2021-07-06 13:40 ` [TUHS] [tuhs] The Unix shell: a 50-year view John Cowan
2021-07-06 14:12 ` Chet Ramey
2021-07-07 0:53 ` Nevin Liber
2021-07-07 13:08 ` Chet Ramey
2021-07-07 15:15 ` Richard Salz
2021-07-03 0:09 ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-07-03 15:49 ` Andy Kosela
2021-07-04 23:24 ` [TUHS] Is C obsolete? (was Re: [tuhs] The Unix shell: a 50-year view) Derek Fawcus
2021-07-04 23:50 ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-07-05 0:15 ` Dan Stromberg
2021-07-05 0:21 ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-05 2:36 ` John Cowan
2021-07-05 2:59 ` Richard Salz
2021-07-05 3:47 ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-05 4:02 ` Dan Stromberg
2021-07-05 13:45 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-07-05 20:15 ` Dan Stromberg
2021-07-05 21:05 ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-05 21:29 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-05 22:22 ` Brantley Coile
2021-07-06 4:35 ` Dan Stromberg
2021-07-06 4:44 ` Warner Losh
2021-07-06 5:58 ` Rico Pajarola
2021-07-06 13:05 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-05 12:11 ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-07-05 4:08 ` Dan Stromberg
2021-07-05 4:23 ` George Michaelson
2021-07-05 14:43 ` Larry McVoy
2021-07-05 15:17 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-07-05 15:36 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2021-07-05 15:53 ` Mike Markowski
2021-07-05 16:39 ` Warner Losh
2021-07-05 19:02 ` Clem Cole
2021-07-02 22:27 ` [TUHS] [tuhs] The Unix shell: a 50-year view Chet Ramey
2021-07-02 23:09 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-07-03 20:07 [TUHS] " Jon Steinhart
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