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From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org>
To: Zsh hackers list <zsh-workers@sunsite.dk>
Cc: Richard Hartmann <richih.mailinglist@gmail.com>,
	Peter Stephenson <p.w.stephenson@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: arithmetic operator precedence
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:02:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080617130246.GL10734@prunille.vinc17.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080617124607.GH5016@sc.homeunix.net>

On 2008-06-17 13:46:07 +0100, Stephane Chazelas wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 02:35:51PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> [...]
> > But POSIX does not say that variable expansion should be performed
> > before the arithmetic expression (at least in th way you think).
> > If POSIX said so, then with a="1 + 1", $((a * 3)) would give
> > $((1 + 1 * 3)) after variable expansion (without being able to make
> > the difference with $((1 + 1 * 3)) written directly), then 5 after
> > arithmetic expansion. But neither zsh nor bash behaves in that way.
> [...]
> 
> $((a * 3)) is unspecified as per POSIX if $a doesn't contain an
> integer constant. That was my point.

It is unspecified. So, the shell is right to choose how it sees it.

> If $a contains an integer constant such as -3, then as per
> POSIX, $((a * 3)) should be the same as $(($a * 3)), that is
> $((-3 * 3)).

No, POSIX does not say that. It happens to be the same thing here
just because of the properties of *, but you can't deduce anything
for extensions. And in practice, shells don't treat $((a * 3)) and
$(($a * 3)) in the same way:

vin:~> a="1 + 1"
vin:~> echo $((a * 3))
6
vin:~> echo $(($a * 3))
4

> If we extend that to the non-POSIX **, that would be:
> 
> a=-3; $((a ** 2)) should be the same as $((-3 ** 2)).

No, if we extend POSIX in an intuitive way (see above), $((a ** 2))
should be the same as $(((-3) ** 2)), hence 9. So, no problem with
$((-3**2)) being -9.

> So, if a future version of POSIX adds a **, it is bound to
> specify it as $((-3 ** 2)) == 9 if it wants to keep consistant.

Choosing -9 is also consistent (see above).

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-17 13:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-12  9:57 Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-12 13:12 ` Mikael Magnusson
2008-06-12 13:40 ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-12 14:47   ` Bart Schaefer
2008-06-12 15:01     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-16  8:17       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-16  8:07 ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-16 13:42   ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-16 13:59     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-16 14:33       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17  9:19     ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17  9:45       ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 10:24         ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 10:24           ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 10:38           ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 10:43             ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-17 11:28               ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:46                 ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-17 12:05                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19  9:37                   ` Jun T.
2008-06-19  9:54                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 16:00                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 16:20                         ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 17:14                           ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19  9:58                     ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-19 12:29                       ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-19 16:04                         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 16:10                           ` Mikael Magnusson
2008-06-19 16:27                             ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 17:25                               ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 17:20                             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 10:45             ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 11:38             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:19         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:57           ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 12:35             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 12:46               ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 13:02                 ` Vincent Lefevre [this message]
2008-06-17 13:20                   ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 14:33                     ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 14:53                       ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 15:49                         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 14:35                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 15:05                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 10:54       ` Vincent Lefevre

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