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From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org>
To: zsh-workers@sunsite.dk
Cc: "Jun T." <takimoto-j@kba.biglobe.ne.jp>
Subject: Re: arithmetic operator precedence
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:00:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080619160024.GK10734@prunille.vinc17.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080619095454.GE5016@sc.homeunix.net>

On 2008-06-19 10:54:54 +0100, Stephane Chazelas wrote:
> With all the existing operators, one can do
> 
> x=$(( some-expression ))
> y=$(( some-other-expression ))
> z=$(( $x <op> $y ))
> 
> and it's OK whatever some-expression and some-other-expression
> and <op> as long as they are POSIX.

This is not guaranteed to work. Indeed POSIX allows constants other
than the "canonical" ones to be recognized. With such constants,
you can get wrong results. Whether such constants can occur for some
reason is another matter. In *practice*, it is safer to write:

  z=$(( ($x) <op> ($y) ))

and even safer to write:

  z=$(( x <op> y ))

though it may not work in non-POSIX shells.

> The syntax above is the only one you can write in a POSIX
> script, and POSIX guarantees it to work at the moment.
> 
> If you change ** so that it has  higher precedence than the
> unary minus, you break that harmony.

That's a completely stupid reason. In practice, many shells recognize
other constants, such as "1+1" (this is allowed by POSIX), even more
than those which support **. For instance:

$ a='1+1'; echo $((a * 2)); echo $((3**2))
4
pdksh: 3**2: unexpected `*'

and:

$ a='1+1'; echo $((a * 2)); echo $((3**2))
4
posh: 3**2: unexpected `*'

So, writing z=$(( $x <op> $y )) will not work anyway.

Shells should be designed to work *in practice* (and do what the
user expects to get), not to work specifically on theoretical
implementations that will never exist.

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-19 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-12  9:57 Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-12 13:12 ` Mikael Magnusson
2008-06-12 13:40 ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-12 14:47   ` Bart Schaefer
2008-06-12 15:01     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-16  8:17       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-16  8:07 ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-16 13:42   ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-16 13:59     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-16 14:33       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17  9:19     ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17  9:45       ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 10:24         ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 10:24           ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 10:38           ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 10:43             ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-17 11:28               ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:46                 ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-17 12:05                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19  9:37                   ` Jun T.
2008-06-19  9:54                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 16:00                       ` Vincent Lefevre [this message]
2008-06-19 16:20                         ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 17:14                           ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19  9:58                     ` Peter Stephenson
2008-06-19 12:29                       ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-19 16:04                         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 16:10                           ` Mikael Magnusson
2008-06-19 16:27                             ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-19 17:25                               ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-19 17:20                             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 10:45             ` Richard Hartmann
2008-06-17 11:38             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:19         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 11:57           ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 12:35             ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 12:46               ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 13:02                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 13:20                   ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 14:33                     ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 14:53                       ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 15:49                         ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 14:35                     ` Stephane Chazelas
2008-06-17 15:05                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2008-06-17 10:54       ` Vincent Lefevre

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