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From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" <DAGwyn@null.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] porting from vs. porting to Plan 9
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:33:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <-L-dnalbzpe7Rw2iRVn-sw@comcast.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e07e75326ce98448ae07150468933eee@caldo.demon.co.uk>

What the whole industry really, really needs is for all
resources to be accessed through a clean but adequate
interface that has exactly the same access methods no
matter what the nature of the resource.  In other words,
devices all need to come from the manufacturers speaking
something like 9P.  This will never be achieved by hiding
in a corner hacking away at a niche OS, but could perhaps
be achieved eventually by more activism in the standards
realm, both de facto (e.g. Linux) and de jure (e.g. POSIX).
By letting other people determine the properties of such
interfaces you basically doom the most significant good
idea of Plan 9 to historical oblivion.

Inferno was an attempt at beginning to establish something
like what I have in mind, but it didn't have enough
impetus sustained on enough fronts over a long enough time
to have the desired effect.

Maybe the thing to do is seek out several of the smart
minds in Microsoft R&D, who are bound to see the problems
but might not have seen the solution, and engage them in
dialogues.  If you make enough impact, perhaps it would
begin moving the dominant OS line in the right direction,
eventually enabling protocol-compatible OSes with different
higher-level interfaces to compete.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-20 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-17 15:20 mirtchov
2003-10-17 16:34 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-10-17 17:08   ` Joel Salomon
2003-10-17 18:55     ` Brantley Coile
2003-10-17 19:05       ` matt
2003-10-17 20:17       ` ron minnich
2003-10-17 20:20         ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-10-17 20:26         ` Brantley Coile
2003-10-17 20:41           ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-17 20:54             ` Brantley Coile
2003-10-20 10:33             ` Douglas A. Gwyn [this message]
2003-10-20 16:03               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-10-21  6:07                 ` Adrian Tritschler
2003-10-17 22:18           ` ron minnich
2003-10-20  1:38             ` okamoto
2003-10-17 21:36         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2003-10-20 10:33           ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-10-21  0:10             ` [9fans] Re: your mail Roman Shaposhnick
2003-10-17 23:38       ` [9fans] porting from vs. porting to Plan 9 Geoff Collyer
2003-10-18  1:21         ` bs
2003-10-21 10:14           ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-10-18  8:27         ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-18  8:48           ` Richard Miller
2003-10-18 11:09           ` Geoff Collyer
2003-10-18 13:09             ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-10-19  8:25               ` C H Forsyth
2003-10-20  3:28                 ` mirtchov
2003-10-20  7:04                   ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-10-20 17:17                     ` mirtchov
2003-10-20 10:35                   ` Patrick R. Wade
2003-10-21  1:14                     ` david parsons
2003-10-19 16:27             ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-20 10:35             ` bs
2003-10-18 19:19           ` Richard Miller
2003-10-19 15:10             ` I RATTAN
2003-10-19 15:54               ` Richard Miller
2003-10-20 14:03             ` ron minnich
2003-10-20 17:03               ` jmk
2003-10-20 21:40         ` splite
2003-10-17 16:43 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-10-17 17:01   ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-10-17 20:17     ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-10-20 10:33       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-10-17 15:36 steve-simon
2003-10-17 16:05 Richard C Bilson

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