From: "Skip Tavakkolian" <fst@centurytel.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] porting from vs. porting to Plan 9
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:34:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7f68bb19aa8d8ecb13d5f53c96524b1a@centurytel.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cf4ac2051142f69bde0841fffa5b7373@plan9.ucalgary.ca>
> Whether Plan 9 libs on lunix are beneficial (to lunix) is also
> questionable -- it's nice to have libdraw for example, but if not
> widely adopted it is just a (very small, admittedly) drop of code in
> the huge sea that is X. Besides, non-9fans have gotten used to
> looking for familiar things in lunix, and it will be harder to educate
> them of the _proper_ Plan 9 way in their world, on their turf, than to
> bring them in ours -- they all end up liking Plan 9 at the end, but
> that's because they are able to tear off the lunix-built habits by
> being forced to live in a Plan 9 environment.
>
I think that the cunning idea from Plan9 that one hopes would rub off
on other OS'es is the filesystem protocol. I think turning other OSes
into servers for various namespaces and then tying them together with
something like a 9grids, is the way to go. Drawterm is a good example.
> There is a great deal of opposition to bringing/porting other apps to
> Plan 9, and I admit I was expecting to see the same opposition to
> porting Plan 9's libs to other systems: "why would they want it there
> anyway? throwing pearls before swine!" was going through my head.
>
I think there could be other reasons for this. I would rather program
graphics using libdraw because it would be save me time and effort
just in dealing with various OS's graphic subsystem complexities.
Doing things in libdraw, I would guess, not win the "flashy-eye-candy"
contest; but if that is not what you're aiming at, it is okay.
> You see, without the reason to run Plan 9 it'll just become yet
> another dead operating system, just like Oberon recently discussed --
> the ideas from it live here to an extent, but the system itself has
> long gone...
Plan9 wont die. That is why it has the bunny. The bunny
reproduces fast and can get under fences.
So, go forth and multiply ☺
Seriously, I believe that if you could get other OSs to handle 9P,
then having a 9grid would enable you to provide a namespace switching
mechanism that gives you tighter integration than "visiting web pages"
and email.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-10-17 16:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-10-17 15:20 mirtchov
2003-10-17 16:34 ` Skip Tavakkolian [this message]
2003-10-17 17:08 ` Joel Salomon
2003-10-17 18:55 ` Brantley Coile
2003-10-17 19:05 ` matt
2003-10-17 20:17 ` ron minnich
2003-10-17 20:20 ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-10-17 20:26 ` Brantley Coile
2003-10-17 20:41 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-17 20:54 ` Brantley Coile
2003-10-20 10:33 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-10-20 16:03 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-10-21 6:07 ` Adrian Tritschler
2003-10-17 22:18 ` ron minnich
2003-10-20 1:38 ` okamoto
2003-10-17 21:36 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2003-10-20 10:33 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-10-21 0:10 ` [9fans] Re: your mail Roman Shaposhnick
2003-10-17 23:38 ` [9fans] porting from vs. porting to Plan 9 Geoff Collyer
2003-10-18 1:21 ` bs
2003-10-21 10:14 ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-10-18 8:27 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-18 8:48 ` Richard Miller
2003-10-18 11:09 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-10-18 13:09 ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-10-19 8:25 ` C H Forsyth
2003-10-20 3:28 ` mirtchov
2003-10-20 7:04 ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-10-20 17:17 ` mirtchov
2003-10-20 10:35 ` Patrick R. Wade
2003-10-21 1:14 ` david parsons
2003-10-19 16:27 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-20 10:35 ` bs
2003-10-18 19:19 ` Richard Miller
2003-10-19 15:10 ` I RATTAN
2003-10-19 15:54 ` Richard Miller
2003-10-20 14:03 ` ron minnich
2003-10-20 17:03 ` jmk
2003-10-20 21:40 ` splite
2003-10-17 16:43 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-10-17 17:01 ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-10-17 20:17 ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-10-20 10:33 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-10-17 15:36 steve-simon
2003-10-17 16:05 Richard C Bilson
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