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From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: [9fans] porting from vs. porting to Plan 9
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:20:24 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cf4ac2051142f69bde0841fffa5b7373@plan9.ucalgary.ca> (raw)

I remember how thrilled I was when I first saw /usr/ports/plan9 on a
FreeBSD system -- my first reaction was "woo-hoo, I don't need an
extra machine to run Plan 9 on!"...  Later on I came to realize that
they weren't what I thought they were, and that if I want the real
thing I should just get the real thing and use it, not look for a
replacement.

Now that it seems everybody is happy with porting Plan 9's libs to
other operating systems, I'm reminded of these ports again, but not in
a good way.  You see, I hold the opinion that if Plan 9 becomes a
'niche' OS, one that people run in VMWare or otherwise hosted on top
of other systems, it will gradually loose its appeal, and
disappear.  I believe the same will happen if its libraries were
ported elsewhere.

Whether Plan 9 libs on lunix are beneficial (to lunix) is also
questionable -- it's nice to have libdraw for example, but if not
widely adopted it is just a (very small, admittedly) drop of code in
the huge sea that is X.  Besides, non-9fans have gotten used to
looking for familiar things in lunix, and it will be harder to educate
them of the _proper_ Plan 9 way in their world, on their turf, than to
bring them in ours -- they all end up liking Plan 9 at the end, but
that's because they are able to tear off the lunix-built habits by
being forced to live in a Plan 9 environment.

There is a great deal of opposition to bringing/porting other apps to
Plan 9, and I admit I was expecting to see the same opposition to
porting Plan 9's libs to other systems: "why would they want it there
anyway?  throwing pearls before swine!" was going through my head.

You see, without the reason to run Plan 9 it'll just become yet
another dead operating system, just like Oberon recently discussed --
the ideas from it live here to an extent, but the system itself has
long gone...

Opinions?

Andrey




             reply	other threads:[~2003-10-17 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-17 15:20 mirtchov [this message]
2003-10-17 16:34 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-10-17 17:08   ` Joel Salomon
2003-10-17 18:55     ` Brantley Coile
2003-10-17 19:05       ` matt
2003-10-17 20:17       ` ron minnich
2003-10-17 20:20         ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-10-17 20:26         ` Brantley Coile
2003-10-17 20:41           ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-17 20:54             ` Brantley Coile
2003-10-20 10:33             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-10-20 16:03               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2003-10-21  6:07                 ` Adrian Tritschler
2003-10-17 22:18           ` ron minnich
2003-10-20  1:38             ` okamoto
2003-10-17 21:36         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2003-10-20 10:33           ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-10-21  0:10             ` [9fans] Re: your mail Roman Shaposhnick
2003-10-17 23:38       ` [9fans] porting from vs. porting to Plan 9 Geoff Collyer
2003-10-18  1:21         ` bs
2003-10-21 10:14           ` Martin C.Atkins
2003-10-18  8:27         ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-18  8:48           ` Richard Miller
2003-10-18 11:09           ` Geoff Collyer
2003-10-18 13:09             ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-10-19  8:25               ` C H Forsyth
2003-10-20  3:28                 ` mirtchov
2003-10-20  7:04                   ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-10-20 17:17                     ` mirtchov
2003-10-20 10:35                   ` Patrick R. Wade
2003-10-21  1:14                     ` david parsons
2003-10-19 16:27             ` Charles Forsyth
2003-10-20 10:35             ` bs
2003-10-18 19:19           ` Richard Miller
2003-10-19 15:10             ` I RATTAN
2003-10-19 15:54               ` Richard Miller
2003-10-20 14:03             ` ron minnich
2003-10-20 17:03               ` jmk
2003-10-20 21:40         ` splite
2003-10-17 16:43 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2003-10-17 17:01   ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2003-10-17 20:17     ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-10-20 10:33       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-10-17 15:36 steve-simon
2003-10-17 16:05 Richard C Bilson

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