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From: "Roman V. Shaposhnik" <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in	Plan9?
Date: Tue,  2 Dec 2008 10:04:57 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1228241097.7593.40.camel@goose.sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dd6fe68a0812011655u53e37741lca3a1d7c764ef3a1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Russ!

Firs of all -- thank a lot for answering all of my question
in a very detailed manner. I really do appreciate it!
Now, if you don't mind, I still have just one question left:

On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 16:55 -0800, Russ Cox wrote:
> > That's very similar to what I referred to as a "synthetic filesystem
> > doing the right stuff". But as I pointed out in my original email
> > this approach has a downside of never exporting these mounts
> > into the namespace of the process that caused them.
>
> You'd have the program export its own name space,
> a delicate but not impossible dance.  Then its mounts
> would be exported too.

That's pretty much what I'm after. Now, the question I still have
is this: was there a clear reason behind deciding not letting the
kernel help with something like that?

I would imagine that making '#p'/<proc id>/ns writable and receptive
to messages of exact same format that is being output right now
(plus an 'unmount X Y' message)  would be a very natural thought in
a Plan9 environment. Yet, it wasn't implemented that way which makes
me believe that I do (as usual) overlook something obvious here.
Please give me a hint to what it might be that renders the idea as a bad
one.

Thanks,
Roman.

P.S. Thinking for a couple more minutes makes me believe that a
writable '#p'/<proc id>/ns might even be used to implement
mount/bind syscall. Which, on the surface, would make it even
more appealing.




  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-02 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-01  7:25 Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-01  8:38 ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2008-12-01 14:34   ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-01 14:40     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-12-01 15:08       ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-01 15:16         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-12-01 17:48 ` Russ Cox
2008-12-01 18:17   ` ron minnich
2008-12-01 18:31     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-01 21:18       ` Dan Cross
2008-12-02 18:12         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 18:18           ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 19:25             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 19:29               ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 20:12                 ` hiro
2008-12-02 21:14                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 21:35                   ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-03  1:26                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-03  1:42                       ` Dan Cross
2008-12-03  2:13                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-04  7:39                   ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-12-04 14:58                     ` Steve Simon
2008-12-05  4:57                       ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-05 12:10                         ` Steve Simon
2008-12-04 17:57                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-05  4:35                       ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-12-05  4:43                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-06  5:16                           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 13:58                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-06  5:14                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 14:27                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-07  0:03                             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-07  0:16                               ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent ofautomounter erik quanstrom
2008-12-07  5:20                                 ` Rob Pike
2008-12-07  5:30                                   ` akumar
2008-12-07  5:53                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-07 20:32                                     ` Noah Evans
2008-12-01 18:25   ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-01 22:48     ` Bakul Shah
2008-12-01 23:11       ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in geoff
2008-12-02 18:15         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02  0:55     ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Russ Cox
2008-12-02 18:04       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik [this message]
2008-12-02 18:31         ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-02 19:34           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 20:05             ` hiro
2008-12-02 21:17               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 21:29                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 23:55                   ` Russ Cox
2008-12-03  0:07                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-03  1:21                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-03  1:36                       ` Dan Cross
2008-12-06  5:24                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 10:52                           ` Dan Cross
2008-12-03  5:23                     ` Rob Pike

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