From: Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:03:02 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2B033310-CD79-4382-AA2C-5A823F15F531@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aaf0cae3799fdd5836974c809657e536@quanstro.net>
On Dec 6, 2008, at 6:27 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> To some extent, the popularity of NFS (is there any NAS box
>> that talks AFS?) and Linux is one big testament to the
>> power of "good enough" or "worse is better".
>
> i really hate this meme. it doesn't mean anything.
It depends on the point of view, I guess. To me its value
is about juxtaposing two approaches to the design.
Being a non-native English speaker the wording and
metaphors don't bother me that much. Three essays
helped me understand why software produced by
different "schools of thought" is so drastically different:
* Worse is better:
http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html
* On the fact that Atlantic Ocean has two sides:
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD06xx/EWD611.html
* On the fact that most software is written on one side of the
Atlantic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7ROTJKkhuI
> imho, the reasons nfs is popular are mostly political
Oh, come on! ;-) You sound like Bjarne now, complaining
that James Gosling, hijacked OOP with tons of corporate
support (which is somewhat true) and that people don't
want to use C++ because Sun brainwashed them, not
because it is the most convoluted language after ALGOL 68.
> and logistical rather than technical. sun pushed nfs,
That is true. But without NetAPP and others, that wouldn't be
possible.
> so saying calling nfs an example of "worse is better" implies
> that using nfs is a technical decision.
You seem to be interpreting worse-is-better quite differently
from how I interpret it. To me it is all about reasoning about survival
skills. And yes, I tend to agree with its main premise, that mediocracy
usually has better survival skills. Nothing to do with technical
aspects.
Thanks,
Roman.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-07 0:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-12-01 7:25 [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-01 8:38 ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2008-12-01 14:34 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-01 14:40 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-12-01 15:08 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-01 15:16 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-12-01 17:48 ` Russ Cox
2008-12-01 18:17 ` ron minnich
2008-12-01 18:31 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-01 21:18 ` Dan Cross
2008-12-02 18:12 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 18:18 ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 19:25 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 19:29 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 20:12 ` hiro
2008-12-02 21:14 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 21:35 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-03 1:26 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-03 1:42 ` Dan Cross
2008-12-03 2:13 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-04 7:39 ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-12-04 14:58 ` Steve Simon
2008-12-05 4:57 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-05 12:10 ` Steve Simon
2008-12-04 17:57 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-05 4:35 ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-12-05 4:43 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-06 5:16 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 13:58 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-06 5:14 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 14:27 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-07 0:03 ` Roman Shaposhnik [this message]
2008-12-07 0:16 ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent ofautomounter erik quanstrom
2008-12-07 5:20 ` Rob Pike
2008-12-07 5:30 ` akumar
2008-12-07 5:53 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-07 20:32 ` Noah Evans
2008-12-01 18:25 ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-01 22:48 ` Bakul Shah
2008-12-01 23:11 ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in geoff
2008-12-02 18:15 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 0:55 ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Russ Cox
2008-12-02 18:04 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 18:31 ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-02 19:34 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 20:05 ` hiro
2008-12-02 21:17 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 21:29 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 23:55 ` Russ Cox
2008-12-03 0:07 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-03 1:21 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-03 1:36 ` Dan Cross
2008-12-06 5:24 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 10:52 ` Dan Cross
2008-12-03 5:23 ` Rob Pike
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