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From: Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of	automounter
Date: Sat,  6 Dec 2008 16:03:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2B033310-CD79-4382-AA2C-5A823F15F531@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aaf0cae3799fdd5836974c809657e536@quanstro.net>

On Dec 6, 2008, at 6:27 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> To some extent, the popularity of NFS (is there any NAS box
>> that talks AFS?) and Linux is one big testament to the
>> power of "good enough" or "worse is better".
>
> i really hate this meme.  it doesn't mean anything.

It depends on the point of view, I guess. To me its value
is about juxtaposing two approaches to the design.
Being a non-native English speaker the wording and
metaphors don't bother me that much. Three essays
helped me understand why software produced by
different "schools of thought" is so drastically different:
    * Worse is better:
        http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html
    * On the fact that Atlantic Ocean has two sides:
        http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD06xx/EWD611.html
    * On the fact that most software  is written on one side of the
Atlantic:
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7ROTJKkhuI

> imho, the reasons nfs is popular are mostly political

Oh, come on! ;-) You sound like Bjarne now, complaining
that James Gosling, hijacked OOP with tons of corporate
support (which is somewhat true) and that people don't
want to use C++ because Sun brainwashed them, not
because it is the most convoluted language after ALGOL 68.

> and logistical rather than technical.  sun pushed nfs,

That is true. But without  NetAPP and others, that wouldn't be
possible.

> so saying calling nfs an example of "worse is better" implies
> that using nfs is a technical decision.

You seem to be interpreting worse-is-better quite differently
from how I interpret it. To me it is all about reasoning about survival
skills. And yes, I tend to agree with its main premise, that mediocracy
usually has better survival skills. Nothing to do with technical
aspects.

Thanks,
Roman.



  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-07  0:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-01  7:25 [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-01  8:38 ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2008-12-01 14:34   ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-01 14:40     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-12-01 15:08       ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-01 15:16         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-12-01 17:48 ` Russ Cox
2008-12-01 18:17   ` ron minnich
2008-12-01 18:31     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-01 21:18       ` Dan Cross
2008-12-02 18:12         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 18:18           ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 19:25             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 19:29               ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 20:12                 ` hiro
2008-12-02 21:14                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 21:35                   ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-03  1:26                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-03  1:42                       ` Dan Cross
2008-12-03  2:13                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-04  7:39                   ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-12-04 14:58                     ` Steve Simon
2008-12-05  4:57                       ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-05 12:10                         ` Steve Simon
2008-12-04 17:57                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-05  4:35                       ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-12-05  4:43                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-06  5:16                           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 13:58                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-06  5:14                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 14:27                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-07  0:03                             ` Roman Shaposhnik [this message]
2008-12-07  0:16                               ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent ofautomounter erik quanstrom
2008-12-07  5:20                                 ` Rob Pike
2008-12-07  5:30                                   ` akumar
2008-12-07  5:53                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-07 20:32                                     ` Noah Evans
2008-12-01 18:25   ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-01 22:48     ` Bakul Shah
2008-12-01 23:11       ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in geoff
2008-12-02 18:15         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02  0:55     ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Russ Cox
2008-12-02 18:04       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 18:31         ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-02 19:34           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 20:05             ` hiro
2008-12-02 21:17               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 21:29                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 23:55                   ` Russ Cox
2008-12-03  0:07                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-03  1:21                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-03  1:36                       ` Dan Cross
2008-12-06  5:24                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 10:52                           ` Dan Cross
2008-12-03  5:23                     ` Rob Pike

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