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From: Dave Eckhardt <davide+p9@cs.cmu.edu>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of	automounter
Date: Thu,  4 Dec 2008 23:35:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <28347.1228451715@lunacy.ugrad.cs.cmu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1228413471.16585.128.camel@goose.sun.com>

> At some distant point in the past (last century, actually)
> I was drawn to AFS because of the features, but left in
> horror because of the complexity.

The goal was adding an enterprise-scale distributed file
system to an existing operating system (Unix), where
"enterprise-scale" meant 5,000 users (the first prototype
supported 400 users on 120 workstations in 1984; this
evening CMU's AFS cell hosts 30,821 user volumes, roughly
half a gigabyte each; there are cells with more users and
cells with more bits.

It may be the case that 25 years later NFSv4 solves all the
same problems with greater elegance--which would be good,
because civilization should advance, and it really is useful
for a community of 30k people to seamlessly share files.

> I guess it doesn't really matter if your environment is
> being managed by a good IT -- you just reap the benefits.
> But as a tinkerer, I wouldn't call AFS malleable.

A 747 isn't as malleable as an ultralight.  If you can
figure out how to carry several hundred people across an
ocean in something as easy to build and maintain as an
ultralight, people will most definitely take notice.  And
such a thing could be the case for distributed file systems.

Dave Eckhardt

P.S. Here's some rationale behind the horrific complexity:
  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~satya/docdir/p35-satyanarayanan.pdf



  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-05  4:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-01  7:25 [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-01  8:38 ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2008-12-01 14:34   ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-01 14:40     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-12-01 15:08       ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-01 15:16         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2008-12-01 17:48 ` Russ Cox
2008-12-01 18:17   ` ron minnich
2008-12-01 18:31     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-01 21:18       ` Dan Cross
2008-12-02 18:12         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 18:18           ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 19:25             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 19:29               ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 20:12                 ` hiro
2008-12-02 21:14                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 21:35                   ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-03  1:26                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-03  1:42                       ` Dan Cross
2008-12-03  2:13                       ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-04  7:39                   ` Dave Eckhardt
2008-12-04 14:58                     ` Steve Simon
2008-12-05  4:57                       ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-05 12:10                         ` Steve Simon
2008-12-04 17:57                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-05  4:35                       ` Dave Eckhardt [this message]
2008-12-05  4:43                         ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-06  5:16                           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 13:58                             ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-06  5:14                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 14:27                           ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-07  0:03                             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-07  0:16                               ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent ofautomounter erik quanstrom
2008-12-07  5:20                                 ` Rob Pike
2008-12-07  5:30                                   ` akumar
2008-12-07  5:53                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-07 20:32                                     ` Noah Evans
2008-12-01 18:25   ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-01 22:48     ` Bakul Shah
2008-12-01 23:11       ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in geoff
2008-12-02 18:15         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02  0:55     ` [9fans] How to implement a moral equivalent of automounter in Plan9? Russ Cox
2008-12-02 18:04       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 18:31         ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2008-12-02 19:34           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 20:05             ` hiro
2008-12-02 21:17               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-02 21:29                 ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-02 23:55                   ` Russ Cox
2008-12-03  0:07                     ` erik quanstrom
2008-12-03  1:21                       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2008-12-03  1:36                       ` Dan Cross
2008-12-06  5:24                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-12-06 10:52                           ` Dan Cross
2008-12-03  5:23                     ` Rob Pike

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