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From: William Josephson <jkw@eecs.harvard.edu>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] GUI toolkit for Plan 9
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:40:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020226144023.A46570@honk.eecs.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87664kgoie.fsf@becket.becket.net>; from tb+usenet@becket.net on Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 05:13:14PM +0000

On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 05:13:14PM +0000, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> rob@plan9.bell-labs.com (rob pike) writes:
> 
> > Ten percent buys you, what, a couple of weeks of Moore's Law?  I'm not
> > against fast compilers - I'm actually rather impressed by good
> > compilers - but I do fret about optimizing compilers breaking my code.
> 
> Oh, of course, but that's a matter of writing correct code.
> 
> Your concern reminds me of people who are scared of garbage collection
> because they think it will have a bug and free live memory.  

No, if that were the case, I'd be forced to conclude that those who
write garbage collectors are significantly better hackers than the
people who write compilers, which I rather doubt.  Last year someone
across the hall spent a long time tracking down completely bogus code
produced by gcc on the mips target -- I think it turned out to be a
bug in loop unrolling, but I don't recall for sure.  I wish I still
had the thirty or forty line C program that gcc couldn't produce valid
alpha assembler for.  I have had problems with commercial compilers,
too, of course.  The fact of the matter is that I have had far more
trouble from optimizing compilers than from garbage collectors,
whether I've written them or someone else has.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-02-26 19:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-26 14:24 rob pike
2002-02-26 17:13 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-26 17:44   ` Dan Cross
2002-02-27 10:07     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-26 17:48   ` Quinn Dunkan
2002-02-26 19:40   ` William Josephson [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-07  4:37 okamoto
2002-03-06  9:50 Roger Peppe
2002-03-05 17:29 forsyth
2002-03-04 14:33 Russ Cox
2002-03-04 14:02 nigel
2002-03-05  4:16 ` Martin C.Atkins
2002-03-04 14:01 anothy
2002-03-04 13:35 anothy
2002-03-01 17:21 anothy
2002-03-04 10:07 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 22:30 bwc
2002-02-28 21:34 dmr
2002-02-28 18:56 David Gordon Hogan
2002-02-28 18:41 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-02-28 17:19 anothy
2002-03-01 10:03 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 15:22 presotto
2002-02-28 16:35 ` Ralph Corderoy
2002-02-28 16:55 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-01  8:27 ` Martin C.Atkins
2002-03-04 10:07   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-04 13:59     ` Martin C.Atkins
2002-02-28 11:03 Bengt Kleberg
2002-02-28 16:41 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-01  0:54 ` Richard Uhtenwoldt
2002-02-27 14:19 presotto
2002-02-27 10:57 Bengt Kleberg
2002-02-27 11:10 ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-27 10:45 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-02-27 10:26 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-02-28 10:13 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-26 21:05 forsyth
2002-02-26 20:28 presotto
2002-02-27  6:54 ` Eric Dorman
2002-02-27 10:20   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-27 10:51     ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-27 13:27       ` Boyd Roberts
2002-02-27 14:20       ` Ish Rattan
2002-02-27 22:44       ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28  4:41         ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-28 10:19           ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 10:14       ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 10:49         ` Matt H
2002-03-01 13:25           ` chad
2002-02-28  9:57     ` ozan s yigit
2002-02-28 14:55 ` AMSRL-CI-CN
2002-02-26 20:25 Russ Cox
2002-02-26 19:05 presotto
2002-02-26 19:47 ` Mike Haertel
2002-02-27 10:07 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-27 10:29   ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-27 12:21     ` Graham Gallagher
2002-02-27 12:59       ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-27 21:07         ` Graham Gallagher
2002-02-28  9:57       ` ozan s yigit
2002-02-28 10:18     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 16:01     ` AMSRL-CI-CN
2002-02-28 14:55 ` AMSRL-CI-CN
2002-02-26 18:00 andrey mirtchovski
2002-02-26 14:30 rob pike
2002-02-26 14:25 rob pike
2002-02-26 11:24 geoff
2002-02-25 14:59 andrey mirtchovski
2002-02-25 14:41 rob pike
2002-02-25 17:10 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-25 14:39 rob pike
2002-02-25 17:10 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-25 14:34 rob pike
2002-02-25 17:10 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-25 17:25   ` Dan Cross
2002-02-25 17:54   ` Boyd Roberts
2002-02-26 10:26     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-26 10:27     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-02-25  1:30 okamoto
2002-02-22 13:29 rob pike
2002-02-22 13:43 ` plan9
2002-02-25 10:09   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-22 17:11 ` Dan Cross
2002-02-22 12:42 forsyth
2002-02-22 12:42 forsyth
2002-02-25 10:10 ` phaet0n
2002-02-22 11:30 sape
2002-02-22  9:58 phaet0n

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