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From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] GUI toolkit for Plan 9
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:05:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ce0ce59eb0d583584480f57dde2bd1a2@plan9.bell-labs.com> (raw)

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No, it's not really the same.  I've had odd performance changes
when garbage collectors decide to do their thing.  However, they've
never made correct code not work.  However, it seems to be an
accepted consequence amongst compiler writers to trade off
possible incorrect code generation against probable speed
gains.  I've been burned numerous times by upping the optimization
level in compilers including gcc.  This is not a new development.
It was just as true 30 years ago with the fortran and PL1 compilers
I used.

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From: "Thomas Bushnell, BSG" <tb+usenet@becket.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] GUI toolkit for Plan 9
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:13:14 GMT
Message-ID: <87664kgoie.fsf@becket.becket.net>

rob@plan9.bell-labs.com (rob pike) writes:

> Ten percent buys you, what, a couple of weeks of Moore's Law?  I'm not
> against fast compilers - I'm actually rather impressed by good
> compilers - but I do fret about optimizing compilers breaking my code.

Oh, of course, but that's a matter of writing correct code.

Your concern reminds me of people who are scared of garbage collection
because they think it will have a bug and free live memory.  

             reply	other threads:[~2002-02-26 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-26 19:05 presotto [this message]
2002-02-26 19:47 ` Mike Haertel
2002-02-27 10:07 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-27 10:29   ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-27 12:21     ` Graham Gallagher
2002-02-27 12:59       ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-27 21:07         ` Graham Gallagher
2002-02-28  9:57       ` ozan s yigit
2002-02-28 10:18     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 16:01     ` AMSRL-CI-CN
2002-02-28 14:55 ` AMSRL-CI-CN
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-07  4:37 okamoto
2002-03-06  9:50 Roger Peppe
2002-03-05 17:29 forsyth
2002-03-04 14:33 Russ Cox
2002-03-04 14:02 nigel
2002-03-05  4:16 ` Martin C.Atkins
2002-03-04 14:01 anothy
2002-03-04 13:35 anothy
2002-03-01 17:21 anothy
2002-03-04 10:07 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 22:30 bwc
2002-02-28 21:34 dmr
2002-02-28 18:56 David Gordon Hogan
2002-02-28 18:41 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-02-28 17:19 anothy
2002-03-01 10:03 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 15:22 presotto
2002-02-28 16:35 ` Ralph Corderoy
2002-02-28 16:55 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-01  8:27 ` Martin C.Atkins
2002-03-04 10:07   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-04 13:59     ` Martin C.Atkins
2002-02-28 11:03 Bengt Kleberg
2002-02-28 16:41 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-03-01  0:54 ` Richard Uhtenwoldt
2002-02-27 14:19 presotto
2002-02-27 10:57 Bengt Kleberg
2002-02-27 11:10 ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-27 10:45 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-02-27 10:26 Fco.J.Ballesteros
2002-02-28 10:13 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-26 21:05 forsyth
2002-02-26 20:28 presotto
2002-02-27  6:54 ` Eric Dorman
2002-02-27 10:20   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-27 10:51     ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-27 13:27       ` Boyd Roberts
2002-02-27 14:20       ` Ish Rattan
2002-02-27 22:44       ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28  4:41         ` Lucio De Re
2002-02-28 10:19           ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 10:14       ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-28 10:49         ` Matt H
2002-03-01 13:25           ` chad
2002-02-28  9:57     ` ozan s yigit
2002-02-28 14:55 ` AMSRL-CI-CN
2002-02-26 20:25 Russ Cox
2002-02-26 18:00 andrey mirtchovski
2002-02-26 14:30 rob pike
2002-02-26 14:25 rob pike
2002-02-26 14:24 rob pike
2002-02-26 17:13 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-26 17:44   ` Dan Cross
2002-02-27 10:07     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-26 17:48   ` Quinn Dunkan
2002-02-26 19:40   ` William Josephson
2002-02-26 11:24 geoff
2002-02-25 14:59 andrey mirtchovski
2002-02-25 14:41 rob pike
2002-02-25 17:10 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-25 14:39 rob pike
2002-02-25 17:10 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-25 14:34 rob pike
2002-02-25 17:10 ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-25 17:25   ` Dan Cross
2002-02-25 17:54   ` Boyd Roberts
2002-02-26 10:26     ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-26 10:27     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-02-25  1:30 okamoto
2002-02-22 13:29 rob pike
2002-02-22 13:43 ` plan9
2002-02-25 10:09   ` Thomas Bushnell, BSG
2002-02-22 17:11 ` Dan Cross
2002-02-22 12:42 forsyth
2002-02-22 12:42 forsyth
2002-02-25 10:10 ` phaet0n
2002-02-22 11:30 sape
2002-02-22  9:58 phaet0n

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