From: David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] linux stats in last year from linuxcon
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:44:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e1162e60909220744m7096a23s5aba6f7eac175bfa@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8C898F89-2D6D-4E1C-9F4E-9060358A421F@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvh@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 9:33 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> "We're getting bloated and huge. Yes, it's a problem," said Torvalds."
>>>>
>>>
>>> So may be Tanenbaum was right, after all, there's a reason we make
>>> things modular.
>>>
>>
>> rob, presotto, ken and phil did not agree with tanenbaum's
>> ideas about modular kernels.
>>
>> this was a direct response to ast many years ago. it was
>> hard to dig up when i did so in 2006. perhaps someone
>> has a better link:
>>
>> - Microkernels are the way to go
>> False unless your only goal is to get papers published.
>> Plan 9's kernel is a fraction of the size of any microkernel
>> we know and offers more functionality and comparable
>> or often better performance.
>>
>>
> IMHO, that statement applies to existing microkernel implementations (at
> the time? perhaps still?) -- its not clear to me that they inherently must
> be that way.
> Likely their use as "fuel for papers and PhD's" contributed to their bloat.
>
> -eric
>
>
>
At that time, and even today, microkernels are "academically bloated".
However some of the more practical academics (yeah I know it's like jumbo
shrimp or military intelligence) have spun very interesting things off like
OKL4, which is running in several cellular telephones, and on Qualcomm
equipment, possibly with a Linux personality ported to it.
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Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-09-21 16:22 ron minnich
2009-09-21 16:44 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-21 17:04 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 17:29 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-21 17:02 ` tlaronde
2009-09-21 17:20 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-30 13:22 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2009-09-21 17:41 ` Jack Norton
2009-09-21 17:53 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-21 19:32 ` David Leimbach
2009-09-21 19:42 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-22 1:12 ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-09-22 1:26 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-22 2:33 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 2:52 ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-09-22 2:58 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-22 3:02 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 6:15 ` Tim Newsham
2009-09-22 14:23 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 16:57 ` Tim Newsham
2009-09-22 13:48 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-09-22 14:44 ` David Leimbach [this message]
2009-09-22 14:39 ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 14:47 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 15:04 ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 15:14 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 16:26 ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 3:36 ` ron minnich
2009-09-22 3:38 ` ron minnich
2009-09-22 14:17 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-09-22 14:47 ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 20:14 ` Richard Uhtenwoldt
2009-09-22 20:47 ` Jack Norton
2009-09-22 22:31 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-23 1:55 ` David Arnold
2009-09-24 14:21 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-24 15:46 ` Jacob Todd
2009-09-24 15:56 ` Iruata Souza
2009-09-28 3:35 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-22 20:55 ` Chad Brown
[not found] <<Pine.BSI.4.64.0909220654020.23231@malasada.lava.net>
2009-09-22 17:13 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 18:27 ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 22:13 ` Tim Newsham
2009-09-22 22:25 ` Tim Newsham
2009-09-22 22:44 ` Jason Catena
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2009-09-28 3:38 ` erik quanstrom
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