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From: Patrick Kelly <kameo76890@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] linux stats in last year from linuxcon
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:20:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C027CF84-BE87-4F27-8D6C-FCF8A099933F@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090921170202.GA1306@polynum.com>


On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:02 PM, tlaronde@polynum.com wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 09:22:56AM -0700, ron minnich wrote:
>> 2.7M lines last year
>> 10K lines added a day.
>> 5K lines deleted per day.
>>
>> I keep thinking this can't be sustained. What happens next?
>
> Are there stats indicating where the lines are added? If this is new
> hardware (drivers), the accumulation is not a problem---if the API
> stays
> stable; if one needs to rework all the drivers because the API does
> not
> stabilized...
>
> The only time I had to dive in the Linux kernel code, I was
> disappointed
> by the "entropy" of the style and ended grep'ing or awk'ing all around
> to extract a (partial) list of PCI identifiers and drivers. (This was
> long ago now. 2002 ?)
>
> I wonder if a software project will some day be an example of a black
> hole: collapsing from its own size, the work needed to just make it
> work
> being greater than the resources available and the gain to have it
> work; and the inability to understand the whole (too much, too long)
> resulting in the impossibility to evolve...

I wouldn't doubt it, it's a monolithic kernel, It's bound to get too
large, At one of Googles recent conferences one the the Linux guys
said along the lines of, If your codes outside of the kernel, get it
in there. So... building everything into the kernel. Where have I
heard that was a terrible thing to do... oh yes, everywhere.

A software black-hole certainly seems to be possible. I can't help but
question, how good a Monolithic kernel is if you can't maintain it any
longer.
> --
> Thierry Laronde (Alceste) <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
>                 http://www.kergis.com/
> Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
>




  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-21 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-21 16:22 ron minnich
2009-09-21 16:44 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-21 17:04   ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-21 17:29     ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-21 17:02 ` tlaronde
2009-09-21 17:20   ` Patrick Kelly [this message]
2009-09-30 13:22   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2009-09-21 17:41 ` Jack Norton
2009-09-21 17:53   ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-21 19:32     ` David Leimbach
2009-09-21 19:42       ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-22  1:12         ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-09-22  1:26           ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-22  2:33             ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22  2:52               ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-09-22  2:58               ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-22  3:02                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22  6:15               ` Tim Newsham
2009-09-22 14:23                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 16:57                   ` Tim Newsham
2009-09-22 13:48               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-09-22 14:44                 ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 14:39               ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 14:47                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 15:04                   ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 15:14                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 16:26                       ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22  3:36           ` ron minnich
2009-09-22  3:38             ` ron minnich
2009-09-22 14:17           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-09-22 14:47             ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 20:14             ` Richard Uhtenwoldt
2009-09-22 20:47               ` Jack Norton
2009-09-22 22:31                 ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-23  1:55                 ` David Arnold
2009-09-24 14:21                   ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-24 15:46                     ` Jacob Todd
2009-09-24 15:56                     ` Iruata Souza
2009-09-28  3:35                       ` Patrick Kelly
2009-09-22 20:55             ` Chad Brown
     [not found] <<Pine.BSI.4.64.0909220654020.23231@malasada.lava.net>
2009-09-22 17:13 ` erik quanstrom
2009-09-22 18:27   ` David Leimbach
2009-09-22 22:13   ` Tim Newsham
2009-09-22 22:25     ` Tim Newsham
2009-09-22 22:44       ` Jason Catena
     [not found] <<012201ca3fec$c58f6020$50ae2060$@com>
2009-09-28  3:38 ` erik quanstrom

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