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From: Dave Lukes <davel@iontrading.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:32:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <464C6776.1010807@iontrading.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <464B17FF.29ED9A81@null.net>

Douglas A. Gwyn wrote:
>  Dave Lukes wrote:
> > Given a wonderful OS used by 10 people or a crap OS used by 10E6
> > people, I'll take the former.

>  The problem with that is that, except perhaps for research purposes,
>  an OS is not an end in itself, but rather a platform supporting
>  applications, which are what actually satisfy human needs.

To be specific:
    the _percieved_ _needs_ of _it's_ user base.

 > As time goes on, the popular platforms acquire a large number of apps 
that
>  become ever more essential

"Essential"?
AFAIK the list of human "essentials" still only includes
air, water, food, shelter and sex*.
All the rest is window dressing.

The above may sound facetious but is seriously intended:
what your user community views as essential is down to that community,
not down to some perceived need for global conformity.

>  (PDF reader or MPG viewer, for example).
Why does one _need_ an mpg viewer?

>  If the OS developer population is below some critical mass, it can't
>  keep up with such user requirements and eventually the platform
>  becomes in effect unusable for what have become everyday needs.

I refer to my formula-1 analogy.
a Ferrari _is_ "in effect unusable for ... everyday needs",
yet I hear no-one decrying the imminent demise of the brand.

>  (There are similar problems in keeping up with device driver support
>  for new hardware.)

Again, by analogy, F-1 teams don't suffer from this problem.
i.e. there are solutions to this, but they involve lots of money ....

 >   Linux seems to have reached the critical
>  threshold, so it is "alive and well"; Plan9 seems to be well below
>  that threshold, and has become largely irrelevant, except perhaps as
>  a testing ground for ideas that may get adopted into more popular
>  platforms.

Hmmm ... Bit like a formula-1 car, really ...

D.


* and chocolate or course.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-17 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-12  8:43 Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?] Vester Thacker
2007-05-12 14:36 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad lucio
2007-05-12 21:56   ` Navin Johnson
2007-05-12 14:38 ` lucio
2007-05-15 17:13 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?] Dave Lukes
2007-05-16  4:10   ` Navin Johnson
2007-05-16  4:41     ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM lucio
2007-05-16  4:46     ` lucio
2007-05-16  7:29     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-16 12:00     ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?] Robert Sherwood
2007-05-16 13:46       ` W B Hacker
2007-05-16 14:03       ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-16 14:56         ` Robert Sherwood
2007-05-16 17:54       ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM lucio
2007-05-16 18:38         ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-16 18:42           ` lucio
2007-05-16 23:32         ` W B Hacker
2007-05-16 23:51           ` Uriel
2007-05-17  0:13             ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17  4:41           ` lucio
2007-05-17 11:34             ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 18:01               ` lucio
2007-05-17 14:26           ` [9fans] Wearables john
2007-05-17 14:33             ` Gabriel Diaz
2007-05-17 14:33             ` David Leimbach
2007-05-17 15:20               ` john
2007-05-17 14:58             ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 15:30               ` john
2007-05-17 16:38                 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 15:24             ` ron minnich
2007-05-17 15:33               ` john
2007-05-17 16:00                 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-17 16:14                 ` ron minnich
2007-05-17 16:38                   ` john
2007-05-17 16:45                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-05-17 16:51                       ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 17:04                     ` Salva Peiró
2007-05-17 17:14                     ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-17 17:18                     ` ron minnich
2007-05-17 19:04                       ` tlaronde
2007-05-17 17:24                     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-17 18:43                       ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-17 18:07             ` lucio
2007-05-18 16:54         ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM Cranky Old Bat
2007-05-18 18:49           ` lucio
2007-05-18 18:58             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-05-18 19:32               ` David Leimbach
2007-05-18 19:35                 ` ron minnich
2007-05-18 21:21                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-05-21 23:32                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2007-05-18 19:54           ` Markus Sonderegger
2007-05-16 14:45   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-17 14:32     ` Dave Lukes [this message]
2007-05-17 18:09       ` lucio
2007-05-18 12:36       ` Gorka Guardiola

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