From: Dave Lukes <davel@iontrading.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:32:22 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <464C6776.1010807@iontrading.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <464B17FF.29ED9A81@null.net>
Douglas A. Gwyn wrote:
> Dave Lukes wrote:
> > Given a wonderful OS used by 10 people or a crap OS used by 10E6
> > people, I'll take the former.
> The problem with that is that, except perhaps for research purposes,
> an OS is not an end in itself, but rather a platform supporting
> applications, which are what actually satisfy human needs.
To be specific:
the _percieved_ _needs_ of _it's_ user base.
> As time goes on, the popular platforms acquire a large number of apps
that
> become ever more essential
"Essential"?
AFAIK the list of human "essentials" still only includes
air, water, food, shelter and sex*.
All the rest is window dressing.
The above may sound facetious but is seriously intended:
what your user community views as essential is down to that community,
not down to some perceived need for global conformity.
> (PDF reader or MPG viewer, for example).
Why does one _need_ an mpg viewer?
> If the OS developer population is below some critical mass, it can't
> keep up with such user requirements and eventually the platform
> becomes in effect unusable for what have become everyday needs.
I refer to my formula-1 analogy.
a Ferrari _is_ "in effect unusable for ... everyday needs",
yet I hear no-one decrying the imminent demise of the brand.
> (There are similar problems in keeping up with device driver support
> for new hardware.)
Again, by analogy, F-1 teams don't suffer from this problem.
i.e. there are solutions to this, but they involve lots of money ....
> Linux seems to have reached the critical
> threshold, so it is "alive and well"; Plan9 seems to be well below
> that threshold, and has become largely irrelevant, except perhaps as
> a testing ground for ideas that may get adopted into more popular
> platforms.
Hmmm ... Bit like a formula-1 car, really ...
D.
* and chocolate or course.
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Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-12 8:43 Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?] Vester Thacker
2007-05-12 14:36 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad lucio
2007-05-12 21:56 ` Navin Johnson
2007-05-12 14:38 ` lucio
2007-05-15 17:13 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?] Dave Lukes
2007-05-16 4:10 ` Navin Johnson
2007-05-16 4:41 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM lucio
2007-05-16 4:46 ` lucio
2007-05-16 7:29 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-16 12:00 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?] Robert Sherwood
2007-05-16 13:46 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-16 14:03 ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-16 14:56 ` Robert Sherwood
2007-05-16 17:54 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM lucio
2007-05-16 18:38 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-16 18:42 ` lucio
2007-05-16 23:32 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-16 23:51 ` Uriel
2007-05-17 0:13 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 4:41 ` lucio
2007-05-17 11:34 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 18:01 ` lucio
2007-05-17 14:26 ` [9fans] Wearables john
2007-05-17 14:33 ` Gabriel Diaz
2007-05-17 14:33 ` David Leimbach
2007-05-17 15:20 ` john
2007-05-17 14:58 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 15:30 ` john
2007-05-17 16:38 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 15:24 ` ron minnich
2007-05-17 15:33 ` john
2007-05-17 16:00 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-17 16:14 ` ron minnich
2007-05-17 16:38 ` john
2007-05-17 16:45 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-05-17 16:51 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 17:04 ` Salva Peiró
2007-05-17 17:14 ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-17 17:18 ` ron minnich
2007-05-17 19:04 ` tlaronde
2007-05-17 17:24 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-17 18:43 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-17 18:07 ` lucio
2007-05-18 16:54 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM Cranky Old Bat
2007-05-18 18:49 ` lucio
2007-05-18 18:58 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-05-18 19:32 ` David Leimbach
2007-05-18 19:35 ` ron minnich
2007-05-18 21:21 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-05-21 23:32 ` Enrico Weigelt
2007-05-18 19:54 ` Markus Sonderegger
2007-05-16 14:45 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-17 14:32 ` Dave Lukes [this message]
2007-05-17 18:09 ` lucio
2007-05-18 12:36 ` Gorka Guardiola
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