From: john@csplan9.rit.edu
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Wearables
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:30:28 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a470a9a649e1bc8ff54db8c80fcfd565@csplan9.rit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <464C6D8F.7040608@conducive.org>
> john@csplan9.rit.edu wrote:
>>> lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>>> But if ever there was a market born to take best advantage of Plan9's long suit,
>>> handheld, or 'wearable' has to be the most obvious contender, and on power nd
>>> bandwidth consumption as much as CPU cycles or 'local' RAM capacity.
>>>
>>
>> A friend and I are starting a project to create a simple wearable computer. We've
>> got some hardware to get started; probably will begin with a laptop, our camera
>> viewfinder HMD, and a keyboard strapped around the waist (crude, I know) or
>> some form of home-brewed chording device. I considered using Plan 9, but since
>> we don't plan to include a pointing device yet, and the viewfinder can only display
>> low resolutions and in black and white, I think we'll end up going with something
>> designed to be used 80x24 characters at a time... Linux. If somebody can present
>> me with some good reasons to use Plan 9 instead, we can try it, but I really
>> don't think Plan 9 actually is ideal for a wearable.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>
> 'Ideal' only in two senses:
>
> - Very well-suited to having the 'heavy' resources remoted over reasonably
> efficient (low bandwidth) networking.
>
> - lacking a GP GUI (rio/acme are, IMNSHO, a coder's IDE, not a GP GUI), but
> having lightweight tools to implement one (drawterm, VNC) - so you can do
> 'locally' only what your app really *must* do locally.
I'm not really looking forward to dealing with rio at the very low resolutions
our device uses. The idea of window management on such a display, barring
the use of wmii or dwm, seems ludicrous.
> As to 'pointing device' - why not a tilt-disk, 'clit' or trackball? All of which
> are cheaply salvaged from new or used hardware. Chording the 'Plan9 way' is not
> an absolute requirement - just one already built-in.
>
> Viewing device? 'Virtual reality' headset, perhaps?
As I mentioned initially, we're using a camcorder viewfinder as the display.
That means black and white, low resolution (composite input). Until we can
get club approval (Robotics club), our budget is nil; we're working on
scavenged equipment.
>
> Or go the other way...
>
> text-to-speech in an earpiece, speech-to-text from a mic.
>
> 'Heavy' CPU to convert bothways accurately is remoted.
>
> Might mean the heaviest thing you have to wear is...
>
> ...a 'dumb' telephone handset and a thin LCD for graphics when needed.
Although we do intend to write specialized code for the project, I do not
want to write a text-to-speech and speech-to-text suite right now.
>
> My biggest personal objection to most modern PDA/phone rigs (Blackberry, Treo,
> et al) is the need to grab a stylus and/or otherwise use BOTH hands when NO
> hands is a nicer goal, and ONE hand was possible even with the ancient HP-200-LX
> (thumb-typing).
>
> Belt-mount and Bluetooth or similar seems a good idea though.
>
> Linux? Far too 'heavy', even stripped - which is not as easy as it sounds if you
> need even basic functionality). if not Plan9, then Minix3 revanche is lighter
> (and very Posix compliant)
Most likely candidate right now is a Linux laptop in a shoulder bag or Slackware
installed on a mini PC we have in the lab.
> But might be better-off with DRDOS and GEM. Seriously.
>
> Find an HP-100/200-LX (MSDOS, not DRDOS) and see what was possible lo those many
> years ago with a couple of the right PCMCIA cards and lithium AA batteries.
>
> Used to carry a pair of clip leads and external twin D-cell holder to send faxes
> and login to CompuServe from hotel rooms. Purchased and discarded batteries
> locally so as to not have to carry the weight or a charger. ELSE 'borrowed' the
> rechargeable emergency flashlight found in many hotels.
>
> 'Too soon we forget' how much could be accomplished with a lowly VT-whatever
> 'dumb terminal' connected to the right support infrastructure at a mere 1200 -
> 9600 bps.
>
This is what I want. That's why Linux seems like a decent candidate. The hardware
we're looking at can handle it just fine. It gives us a VT type interface. Couple
that with campus wireless and we can connect to whatever "support infrastructure"
we want.
John "Plan 9 Koolaid" Floren
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2007-05-12 8:43 Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?] Vester Thacker
2007-05-12 14:36 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad lucio
2007-05-12 21:56 ` Navin Johnson
2007-05-12 14:38 ` lucio
2007-05-15 17:13 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?] Dave Lukes
2007-05-16 4:10 ` Navin Johnson
2007-05-16 4:41 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM lucio
2007-05-16 4:46 ` lucio
2007-05-16 7:29 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-16 12:00 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM ThinkPad R60e notebook compatible with Plan9?] Robert Sherwood
2007-05-16 13:46 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-16 14:03 ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-16 14:56 ` Robert Sherwood
2007-05-16 17:54 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM lucio
2007-05-16 18:38 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-16 18:42 ` lucio
2007-05-16 23:32 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-16 23:51 ` Uriel
2007-05-17 0:13 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 4:41 ` lucio
2007-05-17 11:34 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 18:01 ` lucio
2007-05-17 14:26 ` [9fans] Wearables john
2007-05-17 14:33 ` Gabriel Diaz
2007-05-17 14:33 ` David Leimbach
2007-05-17 15:20 ` john
2007-05-17 14:58 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 15:30 ` john [this message]
2007-05-17 16:38 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 15:24 ` ron minnich
2007-05-17 15:33 ` john
2007-05-17 16:00 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-17 16:14 ` ron minnich
2007-05-17 16:38 ` john
2007-05-17 16:45 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-05-17 16:51 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-17 17:04 ` Salva Peiró
2007-05-17 17:14 ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-17 17:18 ` ron minnich
2007-05-17 19:04 ` tlaronde
2007-05-17 17:24 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-17 18:43 ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-17 18:07 ` lucio
2007-05-18 16:54 ` Warning: Rant. Please disregard. [Was: Re: [9fans] Is IBM Cranky Old Bat
2007-05-18 18:49 ` lucio
2007-05-18 18:58 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-05-18 19:32 ` David Leimbach
2007-05-18 19:35 ` ron minnich
2007-05-18 21:21 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-05-21 23:32 ` Enrico Weigelt
2007-05-18 19:54 ` Markus Sonderegger
2007-05-16 14:45 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-17 14:32 ` Dave Lukes
2007-05-17 18:09 ` lucio
2007-05-18 12:36 ` Gorka Guardiola
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