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From: Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] security
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:48:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d375e920710270548g3fc0fa48t68782f1514703f0@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <89A9D7D0-0B4A-4CBB-871E-77884D11A241@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp>

The main reason I like to change path to (/bin .) is that when in a
remote directory (like /n/sources) having (. /bin) as path makes
running scripts *SLOW*.

And I really can't think of any reason why having . would be a good
idea, because after all if you call ls, 99.9% of the time you want
/bin/ls, and the remaining 0.1% it doesn't hurt to be explicit and run
./ls

But this has been discussed before, and 'the powers that be' didn't
agree, I only wish I could understand why, but that is probably my
fault.

uriel

On 10/27/07, arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp <arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Removing files is not worth doing.
> The victim will immediately find what happened and will recover his
> files
> and then will consider what made the trouble.
>
> I don't say (. /bin) is safe in untrusted environment.
> Someone might steal my private info using some trick.
>
> Security is tradeoff with convenience.
> I guess we (member of 9fans) are happy enough working in trusted
> environment.
>
> Kenji Arisawa
>
> On 2007/10/27, at 18:03, roger peppe wrote:
>
> >>> 1) rc: the value of $path is (. /bin). It is a classic case not to
> >>> have . as the first directory when searching for programs - it
> >>> allows
> >>> Trojan horses to form.
> >>
> >> if you're the only one using your system, how could this be a
> >> problem?
> >
> > to be fair, if i'd put a file in /n/sources/contrib/rog/ls:
> >
> > #!/bin/rc
> > rm -rf $home &
> > ls $* |* | grep -v ls
> >
> > then i'm sure there'd be one or two unhappy people around...
>
>


  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-27 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-26 22:38 [9fans] grap retarded?? Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-26 23:17 ` geoff
2007-10-26 23:22   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-27  2:51   ` [9fans] detecting spam arisawa
2007-10-27  3:16     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-27  4:38       ` [9fans] security erik quanstrom
2007-10-27  9:03         ` roger peppe
2007-10-27 10:04           ` arisawa
2007-10-27 12:48             ` Uriel [this message]
2007-10-27 14:54           ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-27 17:19         ` Tim Newsham
2007-10-27 19:18           ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-27 22:20             ` don bailey
2007-10-27 22:25               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-27 22:33                 ` don bailey
2007-10-28  0:17                 ` David Leimbach
2007-10-28  6:00                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28  6:06                     ` john
2007-10-28  8:32                     ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-10-28 20:53               ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-27 23:40             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28  6:11               ` don bailey
2007-10-28  6:30                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28  6:42                   ` don bailey
2007-10-28  7:28                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28 12:53                       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-28 15:52                         ` don bailey
2007-10-28 15:51                       ` don bailey
2007-10-28 15:59                         ` Iruata Souza
2007-10-28 16:30                           ` don bailey
2007-10-28 17:14                             ` Iruata Souza
2007-10-28 17:22                             ` Gabriel Diaz
2007-10-28 17:44                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-28 20:37                           ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-28 16:10                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-28 16:26                           ` don bailey
2007-10-28 18:30                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28 18:43                           ` Uriel
2007-10-28 18:58                             ` Iruata Souza
2007-10-28 22:48                             ` arisawa
2007-10-28 23:29                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-29  2:30                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-27  9:00       ` [9fans] detecting spam roger peppe
2007-10-27 13:16         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-27 13:41           ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-27 13:43             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-27 14:04           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-10-29 10:10 ` [9fans] grap retarded?? Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-10-29 18:43   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-29 10:10 ` Douglas A. Gwyn

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