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From: Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] security
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:25:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F5B7714B-66A5-442D-95A7-558768AF4AB8@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4723B9AD.8090308@gmail.com>

OS X has root:

$ ls -ld /var
lrwxr-xr-x   1 root  admin  11 Aug 11  2006 /var -> private/var
$ ls -l /private
total 0
drwxr-xr-x   107 root  wheel  3638 Oct  2 21:25 etc
drwxr-xr-x     3 root  wheel   102 Aug  1  2006 tftpboot
drwxrwxrwt    22 root  wheel   748 Oct 27 18:23 tmp
drwxrwxrwt     4 root  wheel   136 Mar 12  2007 tmp 2
drwxr-xr-x    26 root  wheel   884 Oct 27 10:03 var
$ # run from Tiger

Oh and here's nice security: boot a Mac and hit Command+S while  
booting (before the Apple logo/Happy Mac) and you're root. No  
password required.

On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:20 PM, don bailey wrote:

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>> clearly, you're not getting an account on my machine.
>>
>
> This goes back to the typical MacOSX argument:
> 	"If I have MacOSX laptop and you compromise my local
> 	 account, it doesn't matter because you haven't
> 	 gotten root, right?"
>
> Of course, this isn't true because all your data is owned
> by your user credentials. If someone compromises a single
> user laptop they don't need root or any other super user
> semantic. Being you compromises all the information
> necessary to hurt you: banking information, SSN, credit
> card info, e-mail logins, locally stored files, etc...
>
> I'd say that's enough of a problem. Even Plan 9's well
> designed authentication domains don't properly mitigate
> the issue of the local account being compromised.
>
> D
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-27 22:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-26 22:38 [9fans] grap retarded?? Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-26 23:17 ` geoff
2007-10-26 23:22   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-27  2:51   ` [9fans] detecting spam arisawa
2007-10-27  3:16     ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-27  4:38       ` [9fans] security erik quanstrom
2007-10-27  9:03         ` roger peppe
2007-10-27 10:04           ` arisawa
2007-10-27 12:48             ` Uriel
2007-10-27 14:54           ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-27 17:19         ` Tim Newsham
2007-10-27 19:18           ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-27 22:20             ` don bailey
2007-10-27 22:25               ` Pietro Gagliardi [this message]
2007-10-27 22:33                 ` don bailey
2007-10-28  0:17                 ` David Leimbach
2007-10-28  6:00                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28  6:06                     ` john
2007-10-28  8:32                     ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-10-28 20:53               ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-27 23:40             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28  6:11               ` don bailey
2007-10-28  6:30                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28  6:42                   ` don bailey
2007-10-28  7:28                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28 12:53                       ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-28 15:52                         ` don bailey
2007-10-28 15:51                       ` don bailey
2007-10-28 15:59                         ` Iruata Souza
2007-10-28 16:30                           ` don bailey
2007-10-28 17:14                             ` Iruata Souza
2007-10-28 17:22                             ` Gabriel Diaz
2007-10-28 17:44                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-28 20:37                           ` Charles Forsyth
2007-10-28 16:10                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-28 16:26                           ` don bailey
2007-10-28 18:30                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-28 18:43                           ` Uriel
2007-10-28 18:58                             ` Iruata Souza
2007-10-28 22:48                             ` arisawa
2007-10-28 23:29                               ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-29  2:30                               ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-10-27  9:00       ` [9fans] detecting spam roger peppe
2007-10-27 13:16         ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-27 13:41           ` erik quanstrom
2007-10-27 13:43             ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-27 14:04           ` Martin Neubauer
2007-10-29 10:10 ` [9fans] grap retarded?? Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-10-29 18:43   ` Pietro Gagliardi
2007-10-29 10:10 ` Douglas A. Gwyn

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