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[Scott Schwartz]

Folks, I'm seeing a lot of these lately.  Naturally it could be dictionary
spammers, but just in case not, is someone forwarding our traffic to
netpath.net?  (No subscribed users have that in their address.)

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removable devices can may return 0 sectors in scsionline when they have empty
media.  prevent infinite loops.  ahci+sata lg super multi dvd rewriter do this, e.g.

NOTES:
Wed Aug 8 18:50:35 EDT 2007 geoff
    applied in slightly different form.


-- 
/sys/src/9/pc/sdscsi.c
sdscsi.c.orig:215,222 - /n/sources/patch/applied/scsionline-removeable/sdscsi.c:215,224
  			break;
  		case 0:
  			unit->sectors = (p[0]<<24)|(p[1]<<16)|(p[2]<<8)|p[3];
- 			if(unit->sectors == 0)
- 				continue;
+ 			if(unit->sectors == 0){
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Re: [9fans] [9fans-bounces@cse.psu.edu: Auto-discard notification]

[Uriel]

Interesting, that is a plan9-changes email. I'll look if anyone
@netpath.net is subscribed and kick them out (the repply-to for
plan9-changes is 9fans, because
russ didn't want a separate list for discussion of patches, but he
didn't want the patches themselves posted to 9fans either *sigh*)

Which reminds me, a plan9-tech list has been created because some gsoc
participants didn't feel like having technical discussions in 9fans,
which this days
seems to be rather full of offtopic banter and other noise.

http://groups.google.com/group/plan9-tech

uriel

On 9 Aug 2007 15:52:54 -0400, Scott Schwartz <schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu> wrote:
> Folks, I'm seeing a lot of these lately.  Naturally it could be dictionary
> spammers, but just in case not, is someone forwarding our traffic to
> netpath.net?  (No subscribed users have that in their address.)
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> removable devices can may return 0 sectors in scsionline when they have empty
> media.  prevent infinite loops.  ahci+sata lg super multi dvd rewriter do this, e.g.
>
> NOTES:
> Wed Aug 8 18:50:35 EDT 2007 geoff
>     applied in slightly different form.
>
>
> --
> /sys/src/9/pc/sdscsi.c
> sdscsi.c.orig:215,222 - /n/sources/patch/applied/scsionline-removeable/sdscsi.c:215,224
>                         break;
>                 case 0:
>                         unit->sectors = (p[0]<<24)|(p[1]<<16)|(p[2]<<8)|p[3];
> -                       if(unit->sectors == 0)
> -                               continue;
> +                       if(unit->sectors == 0){
> +                               ok = 1;
> +                               break;
> +                       }
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>                          * Read-capacity returns the LBA of the last sector,
>                          * therefore the number of sectors must be incremented.
>
>
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[9fans] 9fans content

[Charles Forsyth]

> didn't want the patches themselves posted to 9fans either *sigh*)
> 
> Which reminds me, a plan9-tech list has been created because some gsoc
> participants didn't feel like having technical discussions in 9fans,
> which this days
> seems to be rather full of offtopic banter and other noise.

i'm not sure i follow this.  you complain that 9fans is `full of offtopic banter and other noise'
(mainly because people aren't contributing technical content) so apparently the best way
to deal with that is not indeed to contribute technical content, but to move that discussion
elsewhere; even so, it's also a fault that it hasn't got more noise in the form of tedious patch diffs to wade through
(or perhaps you meant just list of patches as they are applied, which some might well find helpful).

(i think there is a remark about this sort of thing in the Preface to the 1662 revision
of the Book of Common Prayer.)

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[Steve Simon]

> Which reminds me, a plan9-tech list has been created because some gsoc
> participants didn't feel like having technical discussions in 9fans,
> which this days
> seems to be rather full of offtopic banter and other noise.

Good to know the people who know most about plan9, most of whom still seem
to read this list, are not going to be bothered by discussions of a technical nature.

When you have a small community why not splinter it further?

good one uriel, good one.

-Steve

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[ron minnich]

On 8/10/07, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:

> good one uriel, good one.

so, set me straight on this: somone is leading the tribe of True 3lite
Hackers across the desert, gonna part the waters etc., take 'em to the
promised land, and so on.

So, uh, who are these tech contributors who are going? I can only gaze
in awe. And, once they get there, I assume they'll take a blanket off
the blanket tree and take a nap (ref. to CM Kornbluth is entirely
intentional; I'll let you find story and title).

ron
p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine
stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'.

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[erik quanstrom]

> p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine
> stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'.

they wouldn't let me put bunnies on the signage!

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[David Leimbach]

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On 8/10/07, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>
> > p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine
> > stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'.
>
> they wouldn't let me put bunnies on the signage!
>
> - erik
>
How about bunnies wearing tuxes or penguin costumes?

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Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[David Leimbach]

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On 8/10/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 8/10/07, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
>
> > good one uriel, good one.
>
> so, set me straight on this: somone is leading the tribe of True 3lite
> Hackers across the desert, gonna part the waters etc., take 'em to the
> promised land, and so on.
>
>

Does anyone actually care?  :-)

I think there's still plenty of technical discussion on 9fans.  Sure, we
have some fun too... So what?

I don't think I've ever not received help to a well-asked question that
couldn't be solved by RTFM on this list.  So I'm a bit unlikely to abandon
9fans.

PS:
Thanks to Charles Forsyth and Noah Evans for help on the Nintendo DS port of
Inferno.  All my toolchain problems appear to be solved and I'm now
well-equipped to get my hands actually dirty in there.  There is a google
code hosted project  http://code.google.com/p/inferno-ds.

Got some other DS hacking friends interested in it, hopefully we'll have LCD
issues figured out soon then the 802.11 stuff may fall into place, and I'm
hoping to be able to mount my laptop from the DS and execute .dis's to my
heart's content, no promises on when :-)

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Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[ron minnich]

I am looking at this right now, just saw it yesterday:
http://www.uniconsys.com/devkit-ucn2410-c.html

I learned something sad about the motorola and trolltech "open"
phones. You can get the phone, get the source, build an OS.

You can't load the OS you build.

This just dropped them into the bucket for me. Not sure about open
moko, I expect it is similar.

Too bad. Cell phone companies are a pain.

ron

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[erik quanstrom]

> I learned something sad about the motorola and trolltech "open"
> phones. You can get the phone, get the source, build an OS.
> 
> You can't load the OS you build.
> 
> This just dropped them into the bucket for me. Not sure about open
> moko, I expect it is similar.
> 
> Too bad. Cell phone companies are a pain.

in fact, i'm not sure they give you enough information
to build an os you can't load.

- erik

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[Paweł Lasek]

On 8/10/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am looking at this right now, just saw it yesterday:
> http://www.uniconsys.com/devkit-ucn2410-c.html
>
> I learned something sad about the motorola and trolltech "open"
> phones. You can get the phone, get the source, build an OS.
>
> You can't load the OS you build.
>
> This just dropped them into the bucket for me. Not sure about open
> moko, I expect it is similar.

They give you JTAG access so you can reprogram it from the lowest
level. The only thing that is not 'user-modifiable' is the GSM module
(which is packaged into separate IC and is seen as a serial port to
the OS). IIRC the 'hacker' kit includes all tools needed to take it
apart and has debugging board included :-)

The only thing that I don't like is that it has only GSM. That means
that although I'd love to play with it, it won't work for example in
Japan (where I intent to go, unless Google hires me, which I doubt.)

> Too bad. Cell phone companies are a pain.

That's the reason behind OpenMoko AFAIK. They wanted to build "a truly
open phone". Now, if it only had UMTS/HSDPA.....

> ron
>


-- 
Paul Lasek

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[matt]

You could just build a Plan 9 phone out of parts if you felt like it :

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?cPath=66_68

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[Roman Shaposhnick]

On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 11:09 -0700, ron minnich wrote:
> I am looking at this right now, just saw it yesterday:
> http://www.uniconsys.com/devkit-ucn2410-c.html
> 
> I learned something sad about the motorola and trolltech "open"
> phones. You can get the phone, get the source, build an OS.
> 
> You can't load the OS you build.

  The OpenMoko guys were there as well:
      http://www.openmoko.com 

  At $300 for the SDK they look interesting enough:
      http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html

Thanks,
Roman.

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[Uriel]

The plan9-tech list was created (not by me) after various gsoc
students *and* mentors plain refused to use 9fans, and really, who can
blame them when even jmk refuses to use 9fans anymore.

Anyway, keep jumping to assumptions, bashing people who tries to help,
and doing what you have doing so far, it seems to have worked really
well.

uriel

P.S.: Oh, I know, you would rather have everyone use private email,
that has worked so wonderfully so far.

On 8/10/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/10/07, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
>
> > good one uriel, good one.
>
> so, set me straight on this: somone is leading the tribe of True 3lite
> Hackers across the desert, gonna part the waters etc., take 'em to the
> promised land, and so on.
>
> So, uh, who are these tech contributors who are going? I can only gaze
> in awe. And, once they get there, I assume they'll take a blanket off
> the blanket tree and take a nap (ref. to CM Kornbluth is entirely
> intentional; I'll let you find story and title).
>
> ron
> p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine
> stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'.
>

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[Paul Lalonde]

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I'm one of the "guilty" parties regarding plan9-tech.  GSOC requires  
public communications, but I'm entirely unhappy passing "did you  
check bit 11 of the VPN register" level of crap to 9fans - it's  
clearly not where it belongs (I believe it belongs in private email,  
but that's another matter).  Plan9-tech was a (possibly ill-named)  
place to drop those messages.

Frankly, my post-mortem on gsoc won't be very nice.  I should never  
have accepted to work with a student 9 timezones away, even if the  
project is really interesting.  And I certainly could have poured  
arbitrary amounts of time into it, but I'm really unsure where the  
line is between the student's project and my own (essentially  
recreational) coding.

Paul

On 10-Aug-07, at 12:28 PM, Uriel wrote:

> The plan9-tech list was created (not by me) after various gsoc
> students *and* mentors plain refused to use 9fans, and really, who can
> blame them when even jmk refuses to use 9fans anymore.
>
> Anyway, keep jumping to assumptions, bashing people who tries to help,
> and doing what you have doing so far, it seems to have worked really
> well.
>
> uriel
>
> P.S.: Oh, I know, you would rather have everyone use private email,
> that has worked so wonderfully so far.
>
> On 8/10/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/10/07, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
>>
>>> good one uriel, good one.
>>
>> so, set me straight on this: somone is leading the tribe of True  
>> 3lite
>> Hackers across the desert, gonna part the waters etc., take 'em to  
>> the
>> promised land, and so on.
>>
>> So, uh, who are these tech contributors who are going? I can only  
>> gaze
>> in awe. And, once they get there, I assume they'll take a blanket off
>> the blanket tree and take a nap (ref. to CM Kornbluth is entirely
>> intentional; I'll let you find story and title).
>>
>> ron
>> p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine
>> stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'.
>>

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Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[Charles Forsyth]

> I'm one of the "guilty" parties regarding plan9-tech.  GSOC requires  
> public communications, but I'm entirely unhappy passing "did you  
> check bit 11 of the VPN register" level of crap to 9fans - it's  
> clearly not where it belongs (I believe it belongs in private email,  
> but that's another matter).  Plan9-tech was a (possibly ill-named)  
> place to drop those messages.

don't worry. the moment i looked at that list i reconstructed that
whole argument reasonably accurately.

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[David Leimbach]

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On 8/10/07, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote:
>
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> Hash: SHA1
>
> I'm one of the "guilty" parties regarding plan9-tech.  GSOC requires
> public communications, but I'm entirely unhappy passing "did you
> check bit 11 of the VPN register" level of crap to 9fans - it's
> clearly not where it belongs (I believe it belongs in private email,
> but that's another matter).  Plan9-tech was a (possibly ill-named)
> place to drop those messages.


So it wasn't created for the reasons Uriel cited.  I'm not terribly
surprised that the spin on it was not 100% truthful.

I have absolutely no objections to people ever breaking into smaller
subgroups to work on stuff people think is only tangentially interesting to
the rest of a group.

v9fs is a successful subgroup of folks.  I just learned of the google code
project hosting for Inferno on the DS... I wouldn't think to cram all of
that discussion on 9fans.


Seems that it's not inappropriate to sort of poke one's head in here from
time to time and say "hey look what we're working on and tell us if you
think it's crap" once in a while though :-).  We are all, after all, 9fans
:-)

Frankly, my post-mortem on gsoc won't be very nice.  I should never
> have accepted to work with a student 9 timezones away, even if the
> project is really interesting.  And I certainly could have poured
> arbitrary amounts of time into it, but I'm really unsure where the
> line is between the student's project and my own (essentially
> recreational) coding.


I'm sorry to hear it's not well structured.

Paul
>
> On 10-Aug-07, at 12:28 PM, Uriel wrote:
>
> > The plan9-tech list was created (not by me) after various gsoc
> > students *and* mentors plain refused to use 9fans, and really, who can
> > blame them when even jmk refuses to use 9fans anymore.
> >
> > Anyway, keep jumping to assumptions, bashing people who tries to help,
> > and doing what you have doing so far, it seems to have worked really
> > well.
> >
> > uriel
> >
> > P.S.: Oh, I know, you would rather have everyone use private email,
> > that has worked so wonderfully so far.
> >
> > On 8/10/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 8/10/07, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> good one uriel, good one.
> >>
> >> so, set me straight on this: somone is leading the tribe of True
> >> 3lite
> >> Hackers across the desert, gonna part the waters etc., take 'em to
> >> the
> >> promised land, and so on.
> >>
> >> So, uh, who are these tech contributors who are going? I can only
> >> gaze
> >> in awe. And, once they get there, I assume they'll take a blanket off
> >> the blanket tree and take a nap (ref. to CM Kornbluth is entirely
> >> intentional; I'll let you find story and title).
> >>
> >> ron
> >> p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine
> >> stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'.
> >>
>
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Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[Bruce Ellis]

perhaps we need a 9fans-lists to discuss lists, tho 9fans
seems to cope well.  or give everyone there own list.
oh, that's called filtering.

brucee

On 8/11/07, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 8/10/07, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > I'm one of the "guilty" parties regarding plan9-tech.  GSOC requires
> > public communications, but I'm entirely unhappy passing "did you
> > check bit 11 of the VPN register" level of crap to 9fans - it's
> > clearly not where it belongs (I believe it belongs in private email,
> > but that's another matter).  Plan9-tech was a (possibly ill-named)
> > place to drop those messages.
>
> So it wasn't created for the reasons Uriel cited.  I'm not terribly
> surprised that the spin on it was not 100% truthful.
>
> I have absolutely no objections to people ever breaking into smaller
> subgroups to work on stuff people think is only tangentially interesting to
> the rest of a group.
>
> v9fs is a successful subgroup of folks.  I just learned of the google code
> project hosting for Inferno on the DS... I wouldn't think to cram all of
> that discussion on 9fans.
>
>
> Seems that it's not inappropriate to sort of poke one's head in here from
> time to time and say "hey look what we're working on and tell us if you
> think it's crap" once in a while though :-).  We are all, after all, 9fans
> :-)
> > Frankly, my post-mortem on gsoc won't be very nice.  I should never
> > have accepted to work with a student 9 timezones away, even if the
> > project is really interesting.  And I certainly could have poured
> > arbitrary amounts of time into it, but I'm really unsure where the
> > line is between the student's project and my own (essentially
> > recreational) coding.
>
> I'm sorry to hear it's not well structured.
> > Paul
> >
> > On 10-Aug-07, at 12:28 PM, Uriel wrote:
> >
> > > The plan9-tech list was created (not by me) after various gsoc
> > > students *and* mentors plain refused to use 9fans, and really, who can
> > > blame them when even jmk refuses to use 9fans anymore.
> > >
> > > Anyway, keep jumping to assumptions, bashing people who tries to help,
> > > and doing what you have doing so far, it seems to have worked really
> > > well.
> > >
> > > uriel
> > >
> > > P.S.: Oh, I know, you would rather have everyone use private email,
> > > that has worked so wonderfully so far.
> > >
> > > On 8/10/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 8/10/07, Steve Simon < steve@quintile.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> good one uriel, good one.
> > >>
> > >> so, set me straight on this: somone is leading the tribe of True
> > >> 3lite
> > >> Hackers across the desert, gonna part the waters etc., take 'em to
> > >> the
> > >> promised land, and so on.
> > >>
> > >> So, uh, who are these tech contributors who are going? I can only
> > >> gaze
> > >> in awe. And, once they get there, I assume they'll take a blanket off
> > >> the blanket tree and take a nap (ref. to CM Kornbluth is entirely
> > >> intentional; I'll let you find story and title).
> > >>
> > >> ron
> > >> p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine
> > >> stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'.
> > >>
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Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[Paul Lalonde]

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On 10-Aug-07, at 3:34 PM, David Leimbach wrote:
> I'm sorry to hear it's not well structured.
>

Less a problem of structure of gsoc than of a mismatch between how  
the plan9 community operates, the gsoc expectations, and my over- 
expectations.  I think Uriel did a great job getting something  
organized and off the ground.  I'm just not sure that as an  
"organization" we're a good match - I think we just don't have enough  
developers on most of our projects to get a good head of steam going  
for most students.

Paul

> Paul
>
> On 10-Aug-07, at 12:28 PM, Uriel wrote:
>
> > The plan9-tech list was created (not by me) after various gsoc
> > students *and* mentors plain refused to use 9fans, and really,  
> who can
> > blame them when even jmk refuses to use 9fans anymore.
> >
> > Anyway, keep jumping to assumptions, bashing people who tries to  
> help,
> > and doing what you have doing so far, it seems to have worked really
> > well.
> >
> > uriel
> >
> > P.S.: Oh, I know, you would rather have everyone use private email,
> > that has worked so wonderfully so far.
> >
> > On 8/10/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 8/10/07, Steve Simon < steve@quintile.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> good one uriel, good one.
> >>
> >> so, set me straight on this: somone is leading the tribe of True
> >> 3lite
> >> Hackers across the desert, gonna part the waters etc., take 'em to
> >> the
> >> promised land, and so on.
> >>
> >> So, uh, who are these tech contributors who are going? I can only
> >> gaze
> >> in awe. And, once they get there, I assume they'll take a  
> blanket off
> >> the blanket tree and take a nap (ref. to CM Kornbluth is entirely
> >> intentional; I'll let you find story and title).
> >>
> >> ron
> >> p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine
> >> stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'.
> >>
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Re: [9fans] 9fans content

[ron minnich]

On 8/10/07, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have absolutely no objections to people ever breaking into smaller
> subgroups to work on stuff people think is only tangentially interesting to
> the rest of a group.

I just took a quick look at plan9-tech. I think I might have helped
with some of those issues but did not even know the list existed.
There are very few messages, so it's not like we would have been
overwhelmed with traffic.

We're a small group. I still don't see the benefit of making us smaller.

ron