Re: [9fans] Closed nix development is an insult

[Gorka Guardiola <paurea@gmail.com>]

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On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Aram Hăvărneanu <aram.h@mgk.ro> wrote:

> > we got not a single cent for nix. As far as lsub is concerned,
> > it's been a free time effort.
>
> You are seriously misrepresenting nix and/or yourself.
>
> From http://lsub.org:
>   "Nix is joint work of Laboratorio de Sistemas with Bell Laboratories,
>   Sandia National Labs, and Vitanuova."
>
> Lsub is part of GSyC which is an academic institution funded with
> public money. Sandia National Labs is funded by the DOE. People are
> getting paid to work on nix. This is not "Nemo and his friends hack
> on Plan 9" project. It that would be the case, using the lsub name
> everywhere would constitute grave academic misconduct. You publish
> papers with lsub credentials.


> My personal projects are not my employers (in fact some people place
> huge disclaimers stating that; I find the practice silly). Nix is
> not a personal project. It's listed right there on the lsub page
> along with other Plan 9-related project. Some of them even list
> their grants:
>
>   "Finnancial support, in part, by Spanish MCYT TIN2010-17344 and
>   Madrid CAM S-2009/TIC-1692."
>
>   "This work is supported in part by grants CAM CLOUDS S2009/TIC-1692
>   and MCyTTIN-2007-67353-C02-02"
>
You are paid by your university to work on Plan 9-related projects.
> It's part of your everyday job.
>
>
These are projects that were funded, the work was done and published and
the code
made public.  BTW, the pressure is to patent everything and keep everything
under University IP,
and private not the other way round.

Nix today is completely unfunded and anything done is done in free time for
free,
at least on the lsub side (Erik is doing stuff with it too, and that is
funded by Coraid).

The fact that people from lsub may continue to work in Nix in their free
time does not give
you or anyone the right to anything. I am sorry if that makes you angry or
you find that
insulting.

Neither the lsub or GSyC or the University own all of its members´ free
time, and as member of
the three, we can give this free time/code to either or none.

You have no idea how much the University pays us or what part of this is
is our job, so please stop talking about what you don´t know.
If, nevertheless, you have any complaints than any of us are not doing our
jobs, please do take them
to the University (make sure you speak Spanish and have lots of time to
fill paperwork first).


> Let's take a look at other misinformation:
>
> > Today it continues using a public development process, as described
> > above.
>

We didn't have enough people or time to curate patches, publish them and
take care of
everything. But if you offering to sponsor us...


> It does not. It's done in secret. It wasn't always done like this.
> For a short while, development was public. It stopped being public
> when you (nemo) and Ron fighted and couldn't find common ground.
> Then you took the toys and locked them in your fortress.
>

Many things have happened in the past. People have their differences and
fork (nxm spanned
from that like 9front). Other times they collaborate. It is human nature.
Sometimes, as a consequence
a group working together fractures and ends up not being able to do some of
the stuff
they did.

Lsub has in the past produced much software which has been made public at
one point or the other.
We are only three people with other work to do, and we cannot maintain
infrastructure which we don´t
find useful ourselves.


>
> > there is no private nix development going on
>
> Let's quote something from a recent nix paper:
>
>   "We are grateful to Charles Forsyth for his advice regarding this
>   work, and to the new Plan 9 secret society."
>
> Ahem.
>
>
Next time we are thanking Cthulhu, it will make for better trolling.


G.

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