Re: [9fans] Closed nix development is an insult

[Latchesar Ionkov <lucho@ionkov.net>]

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Stop whining. If you want something done your way, do it yourself, or pay
somebody to do it.

If you think Nemo and his group (or anybody else) are not following the
grants' rules, complain to the funding organizations. I don't remember
seeing any funding coming with "researchers have to publish their work
hourly" rules, but I might be wrong.

    Lucho


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu <aram.h@mgk.ro> wrote:

> > we got not a single cent for nix. As far as lsub is concerned,
> > it's been a free time effort.
>
> You are seriously misrepresenting nix and/or yourself.
>
> From http://lsub.org:
>   "Nix is joint work of Laboratorio de Sistemas with Bell Laboratories,
>   Sandia National Labs, and Vitanuova."
>
> Lsub is part of GSyC which is an academic institution funded with
> public money. Sandia National Labs is funded by the DOE. People are
> getting paid to work on nix. This is not "Nemo and his friends hack
> on Plan 9" project. It that would be the case, using the lsub name
> everywhere would constitute grave academic misconduct. You publish
> papers with lsub credentials.
>
> My personal projects are not my employers (in fact some people place
> huge disclaimers stating that; I find the practice silly). Nix is
> not a personal project. It's listed right there on the lsub page
> along with other Plan 9-related project. Some of them even list
> their grants:
>
>   "Finnancial support, in part, by Spanish MCYT TIN2010-17344 and
>   Madrid CAM S-2009/TIC-1692."
>
>   "This work is supported in part by grants CAM CLOUDS S2009/TIC-1692
>   and MCyTTIN-2007-67353-C02-02"
>
> You are paid by your university to work on Plan 9-related projects.
> It's part of your everyday job.
>
> Let's take a look at other misinformation:
>
> > Today it continues using a public development process, as described
> > above.
>
> It does not. It's done in secret. It wasn't always done like this.
> For a short while, development was public. It stopped being public
> when you (nemo) and Ron fighted and couldn't find common ground.
> Then you took the toys and locked them in your fortress.
>
> > there is no private nix development going on
>
> Let's quote something from a recent nix paper:
>
>   "We are grateful to Charles Forsyth for his advice regarding this
>   work, and to the new Plan 9 secret society."
>
> Ahem.
>
> --
> Aram Hăvărneanu
>
>

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