* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? @ 2005-11-22 12:25 Fco. J. Ballesteros 2005-11-22 14:09 ` Gorka guardiola 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Fco. J. Ballesteros @ 2005-11-22 12:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans deadlock or livelock? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 12:25 [9fans] 9con in Madrid? Fco. J. Ballesteros @ 2005-11-22 14:09 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 15:12 ` Gabriel Diaz 2005-11-22 20:35 ` Anselm R. Garbe 0 siblings, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-22 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > deadlock or livelock? Let's see. What I need to start going is: A) a formal date (May 2006 is not concrete enough) B) an estimation of attendance C) list of people who need acommodation or help to get acommodation (on such a short notice, no funding though I may host someone and maybe some others can, I dont know). D) a program. Any voluntaries to give conferences?. So for A) I propose the 10th of March. B) Send me a message if you plan to attend with requirements of acommodation C) See B D) This should be discussed in the list and proposals can be made (i.e. I am not doing it). -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 14:09 ` Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-22 15:12 ` Gabriel Diaz 2005-11-22 15:16 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 20:35 ` Anselm R. Garbe 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2005-11-22 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 290 bytes --] Hello, > A) I propose the 10th of March. The weekend from 10 to 12 is nice. March is a good month in Madrid as there is no summer weather. > > D) This should be discussed in the list and proposals can be made (i.e. I > am not > doing it). > -- yes , you're ;-) Gabi [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 663 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 15:12 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2005-11-22 15:16 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 15:37 ` Uriel ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-22 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs So, for the 10th of March weekend, anyone against, anyone in favour? anyone would come?. On 11/22/05, Gabriel Diaz <gabidiaz@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > > > > > > A) I propose the 10th of March. > > > The weekend from 10 to 12 is nice. March is a good month in Madrid as > there is no summer weather. > > > > > D) This should be discussed in the list and proposals can be made (i.e. I > am not > > doing it). > > -- > > > yes , you're ;-) > > Gabi -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 15:16 ` Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-22 15:37 ` Uriel 2005-11-22 16:08 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 16:55 ` Ronald G Minnich ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Uriel @ 2005-11-22 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:16:23PM +0100, Gorka guardiola wrote: > So, for the 10th of March weekend, anyone against, anyone in favour? anyone > would come?. To me that sounds too close to FOSDEM and Linux-Tag, see: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/9con/ uriel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 15:37 ` Uriel @ 2005-11-22 16:08 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 16:33 ` Gabriel Diaz 2005-11-22 16:59 ` Ronald G Minnich 0 siblings, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-22 16:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Any other date proposals? On 11/22/05, Uriel <uriell@binarydream.org> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:16:23PM +0100, Gorka guardiola wrote: > > So, for the 10th of March weekend, anyone against, anyone in favour? anyone > > would come?. > > To me that sounds too close to FOSDEM and Linux-Tag, see: > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/9con/ > > uriel > -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 16:08 ` Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-22 16:33 ` Gabriel Diaz 2005-11-22 16:59 ` Ronald G Minnich 1 sibling, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Gabriel Diaz @ 2005-11-22 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 912 bytes --] Hi, If there is anyone interested in turism, a good date can be the days before sacred week in april ( may be tuesday 10 and wed. 11 so people can do turism the thursday 12,friday 13 and the weekend 14) I would suggest to avoid the summer months as Madrid can be a hell-like city :) ( > 40ºC). (beyond june and until september) If not interested in turism, a nice week can be last one of april. Gabi 2005/11/22, Gorka guardiola <paurea@gmail.com>: > > Any other date proposals? > > On 11/22/05, Uriel <uriell@binarydream.org> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:16:23PM +0100, Gorka guardiola wrote: > > > So, for the 10th of March weekend, anyone against, anyone in favour? > anyone > > > would come?. > > > > To me that sounds too close to FOSDEM and Linux-Tag, see: > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/9con/ > > > > uriel > > > > > -- > - curiosity sKilled the cat > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1453 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 16:08 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 16:33 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2005-11-22 16:59 ` Ronald G Minnich 1 sibling, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-22 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Gorka guardiola wrote: > Any other date proposals? just do what you want. You are going to collide with something no matter what you do. It's your location, pick the time that is easiest for you to manage. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 15:16 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 15:37 ` Uriel @ 2005-11-22 16:55 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 1:05 ` Uriel 2005-11-22 20:10 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2005-11-22 20:21 ` Roman Shaposhnick 3 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-22 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Gorka guardiola wrote: > So, for the 10th of March weekend, anyone against, anyone in favour? anyone > would come?. I'm interested. I will be happy to attend and wear a hat that says 'uriel thinks I'm an xcpu fool'. This is clearly nowhere near as prestigious as a T-shirt that says 'jim thinks I'm a dickhead', but it will have to do. I've done these sorts of programs before if you want help, or you just want it done (I'm going to regret this). I think 2.5 days might do it. What we used to do for extreme linux is have 90 minute sessions, heavy on discussion. So you have three 20 minute talks, 30 minutes of discussion of the material presented. You do this four times a day. You can mix it up -- have sessions with 3 30-minute talks if you can find it. Then you pick the broad areas in which to have the discussion. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 16:55 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 1:05 ` Uriel 2005-11-30 11:15 ` Dave Lukes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Uriel @ 2005-11-30 1:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs So, can we agree on a date? Apparently May seems the most convenient for most people, what about the 5,6,7 or the 12,13,14? On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 09:55:53AM -0700, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > I've done these sorts of programs before if you want help, or you just > want it done (I'm going to regret this). I think 2.5 days might do it. > What we used to do for extreme linux is have 90 minute sessions, heavy > on discussion. So you have three 20 minute talks, 30 minutes of > discussion of the material presented. You do this four times a day. You > can mix it up -- have sessions with 3 30-minute talks if you can find it. This sounds like a good plan. > Then you pick the broad areas in which to have the discussion. My suggestions for broad areas(I'm biased, so pleas make more suggestions): Plan 9 development status, current projects. Plan 9 future development plans and goals. Tech transfer to other systems(p9p, v9fs, ...) Inferno/Limbo 9grid and other global infrastructure Development process. uriel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 1:05 ` Uriel @ 2005-11-30 11:15 ` Dave Lukes 2005-11-30 12:10 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-30 14:56 ` Ronald G Minnich 0 siblings, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Dave Lukes @ 2005-11-30 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Well, my birthday's on the 16th, so I'm biased:-). Uriel wrote: >So, can we agree on a date? Apparently May seems the most convenient for >most people, what about the 5,6,7 or the 12,13,14? > >On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 09:55:53AM -0700, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > > >>I've done these sorts of programs before if you want help, or you just >>want it done (I'm going to regret this). I think 2.5 days might do it. >>What we used to do for extreme linux is have 90 minute sessions, heavy >>on discussion. So you have three 20 minute talks, 30 minutes of >>discussion of the material presented. You do this four times a day. You >>can mix it up -- have sessions with 3 30-minute talks if you can find it. >> >> >This sounds like a good plan. > > > >>Then you pick the broad areas in which to have the discussion. >> >> >My suggestions for broad areas(I'm biased, so pleas make more >suggestions): > >Plan 9 development status, current projects. >Plan 9 future development plans and goals. >Tech transfer to other systems(p9p, v9fs, ...) >Inferno/Limbo >9grid and other global infrastructure >Development process. > >uriel > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 11:15 ` Dave Lukes @ 2005-11-30 12:10 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-12-02 19:00 ` Tim Wiess 2005-11-30 14:56 ` Ronald G Minnich 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-30 12:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Ok. Send me a mail those who would go/give conferences on the 5, 6, 7. Unless there is (strong) opposition, this is the date. Some funding for travelling may be considered if someone is giving an interesting enough conference. On 11/30/05, Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com> wrote: > Well, my birthday's on the 16th, so I'm biased:-). > > Uriel wrote: > > >So, can we agree on a date? Apparently May seems the most convenient for > >most people, what about the 5,6,7 or the 12,13,14? > > > >On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 09:55:53AM -0700, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > > > > > >>I've done these sorts of programs before if you want help, or you just > >>want it done (I'm going to regret this). I think 2.5 days might do it. > >>What we used to do for extreme linux is have 90 minute sessions, heavy > >>on discussion. So you have three 20 minute talks, 30 minutes of > >>discussion of the material presented. You do this four times a day. You > >>can mix it up -- have sessions with 3 30-minute talks if you can find it. > >> > >> > >This sounds like a good plan. > > > > > > > >>Then you pick the broad areas in which to have the discussion. > >> > >> > >My suggestions for broad areas(I'm biased, so pleas make more > >suggestions): > > > >Plan 9 development status, current projects. > >Plan 9 future development plans and goals. > >Tech transfer to other systems(p9p, v9fs, ...) > >Inferno/Limbo > >9grid and other global infrastructure > >Development process. > > > >uriel > > > > > > -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 12:10 ` Gorka guardiola @ 2005-12-02 19:00 ` Tim Wiess 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Tim Wiess @ 2005-12-02 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I am not absolutely positive that I'll be able to attend, however if I can I'd be happy to talk on issues related to some of the projects I'm currently working on. - 64-bit MIPS port & VM enhancments - new packet filter - 9P for OpenBSD I'm eventually planning on putting some material together to describe the process of porting Plan 9 to new architectures. This would be something I'd be happy to present at 9con. Just some thoughts... Let me know how things progress. Tim > Ok. Send me a mail those who would go/give conferences on the 5, 6, 7. > Unless there is (strong) opposition, this is the date. Some funding > for travelling > may be considered if someone is giving an interesting enough conference. > > > On 11/30/05, Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com> wrote: >> Well, my birthday's on the 16th, so I'm biased:-). >> >> Uriel wrote: >> >> >So, can we agree on a date? Apparently May seems the most convenient for >> >most people, what about the 5,6,7 or the 12,13,14? >> > >> >On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 09:55:53AM -0700, Ronald G Minnich wrote: >> > >> > >> >>I've done these sorts of programs before if you want help, or you just >> >>want it done (I'm going to regret this). I think 2.5 days might do it. >> >>What we used to do for extreme linux is have 90 minute sessions, heavy >> >>on discussion. So you have three 20 minute talks, 30 minutes of >> >>discussion of the material presented. You do this four times a day. You >> >>can mix it up -- have sessions with 3 30-minute talks if you can find it. >> >> >> >> >> >This sounds like a good plan. >> > >> > >> > >> >>Then you pick the broad areas in which to have the discussion. >> >> >> >> >> >My suggestions for broad areas(I'm biased, so pleas make more >> >suggestions): >> > >> >Plan 9 development status, current projects. >> >Plan 9 future development plans and goals. >> >Tech transfer to other systems(p9p, v9fs, ...) >> >Inferno/Limbo >> >9grid and other global infrastructure >> >Development process. >> > >> >uriel >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 11:15 ` Dave Lukes 2005-11-30 12:10 ` Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-30 14:56 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 16:40 ` Kenneth Long 2005-12-01 11:16 ` grfgguvf 1 sibling, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs >> Plan 9 development status, current projects. >> Plan 9 future development plans and goals. that one is kind of nebulous. >> Tech transfer to other systems(p9p, v9fs, ...) >> Inferno/Limbo >> 9grid and other global infrastructure >> Development process. >> user views. surviving with a plan 9 desktop in a linux/windows world what's missing in plan 9 that users want? how do we get it? 64-bit platforms ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 14:56 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 16:40 ` Kenneth Long 2005-11-30 17:55 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 17:55 ` [9fans] 9con in Madrid? Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-01 11:16 ` grfgguvf 1 sibling, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Kenneth Long @ 2005-11-30 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs --- Ronald G Minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov> wrote: > > >> Plan 9 development status, current projects. > >> Plan 9 future development plans and goals. > > that one is kind of nebulous. > Why is it Nebulous? I'm a newbie... :-) __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 16:40 ` Kenneth Long @ 2005-11-30 17:55 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 18:14 ` Uriel 2005-11-30 19:38 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 2005-11-30 17:55 ` [9fans] 9con in Madrid? Ronald G Minnich 1 sibling, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Kenneth Long wrote: >>>>Plan 9 future development plans and goals. >> >>that one is kind of nebulous. because for every person on this list it has a different meaning. I think. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 17:55 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 18:14 ` Uriel 2005-11-30 19:38 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 1 sibling, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Uriel @ 2005-11-30 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 10:55:52AM -0700, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > Kenneth Long wrote: > > >>>>Plan 9 future development plans and goals. > >> > >>that one is kind of nebulous. > > because for every person on this list it has a different meaning. I think. The idea is to share the different views/meanings everyone has and try to find common ground for collaboration. uriel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 17:55 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 18:14 ` Uriel @ 2005-11-30 19:38 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 2005-11-30 19:50 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 22:33 ` [9fans] A new user says hello! javacoffee.de 1 sibling, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: "Nils O. Selåsdal" @ 2005-11-30 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Ronald G Minnich wrote: > Kenneth Long wrote: > >>>>> Plan 9 future development plans and goals. >>> >>> >>> that one is kind of nebulous. > > > because for every person on this list it has a different meaning. I think. I disagree. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 19:38 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" @ 2005-11-30 19:50 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 19:55 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 2005-11-30 22:33 ` [9fans] A new user says hello! javacoffee.de 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Nils O. Selåsdal wrote: > Ronald G Minnich wrote: > >> Kenneth Long wrote: >> >>>>>> Plan 9 future development plans and goals. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> that one is kind of nebulous. >> >> >> >> because for every person on this list it has a different meaning. I >> think. > > > I disagree. well, case in point.. for me, our future development includes xcpu and clustering. Others think xcpu is a horrible mistake. So, in that case at least, 'the future' has a very different meaning. do you really think that 'Plan 9 future development plans and goals' is really the same for everyone? Or are you saying that is has a future (i don't think everyone agrees even on that :-) or do we agree but think we disagree? ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 19:50 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 19:55 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: "Nils O. Selåsdal" @ 2005-11-30 19:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Ronald G Minnich wrote: > Nils O. Selåsdal wrote: > >> Ronald G Minnich wrote: >> >>> Kenneth Long wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Plan 9 future development plans and goals. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> that one is kind of nebulous. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> because for every person on this list it has a different meaning. I >>> think. >> >> >> >> I disagree. > > > well, case in point.. for me, our future development includes xcpu and > clustering. Others think xcpu is a horrible mistake. So, in that case at > least, 'the future' has a very different meaning. > > do you really think that 'Plan 9 future development plans and goals' is > really the same for everyone? Or are you saying that is has a future (i > don't think everyone agrees even on that :-) > > or do we agree but think we disagree? Sorry to be an idiot at subtle sarcasm/puns. We agree on it having different meaning, and I do think it has a future. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* [9fans] A new user says hello! 2005-11-30 19:38 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 2005-11-30 19:50 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 22:33 ` javacoffee.de 2005-12-01 10:30 ` Sergey Zhilkin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: javacoffee.de @ 2005-11-30 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Hi all! I'm a completely new member of the Plan 9 Community and I just wanted to say Hello to all!! I hope I can support this OS with my knowledge... ;) So: Hello! ;) TamTam -- ------------------------------------ http://javacoffee.de "Die Commmunity mit Aroma!" http://benny-thegame.de.vu "Die ofizielle Seite von Benny - The Game!" ------------------------------------ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] A new user says hello! 2005-11-30 22:33 ` [9fans] A new user says hello! javacoffee.de @ 2005-12-01 10:30 ` Sergey Zhilkin 2005-12-02 14:14 ` Yury Luneff 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Sergey Zhilkin @ 2005-12-01 10:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Hello to you ! :) from Russia ! :) On 12/1/05, javacoffee.de <javacoffee@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi all! > > I'm a completely new member of the Plan 9 Community and I just wanted to > say Hello to all!! I hope I can support this OS with my knowledge... ;) > > So: Hello! ;) > > TamTam > > -- > > ------------------------------------ > http://javacoffee.de > > "Die Commmunity mit Aroma!" > > http://benny-thegame.de.vu > > "Die ofizielle Seite von Benny - The Game!" > ------------------------------------ > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] A new user says hello! 2005-12-01 10:30 ` Sergey Zhilkin @ 2005-12-02 14:14 ` Yury Luneff 2005-12-02 16:50 ` Sascha Retzki 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Yury Luneff @ 2005-12-02 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 876 bytes --] me too :). Hi2all. Of course, simple greeting's some king of stupidity, but I'm also interested in this OS and I don't know anything in concrete manner about it. Just "iso" in qemu. :) > Hello to you ! :) from Russia ! :) > > > On 12/1/05, javacoffee.de <javacoffee@gmx.de> wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I'm a completely new member of the Plan 9 Community and I just wanted to > > say Hello to all!! I hope I can support this OS with my knowledge... ;) > > > > So: Hello! ;) > > > > TamTam > > > > -- > > > > ------------------------------------ > > http://javacoffee.de > > > > "Die Commmunity mit Aroma!" > > > > http://benny-thegame.de.vu > > > > "Die ofizielle Seite von Benny - The Game!" > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > -- Yury Luneff, TSURE, 2005. ICQ 293527227 JabberID bitterman@jabber.ttn.ru [-- Attachment #2: Эта часть сообщения подписана цифровой подписью --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 196 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] A new user says hello! 2005-12-02 14:14 ` Yury Luneff @ 2005-12-02 16:50 ` Sascha Retzki 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Sascha Retzki @ 2005-12-02 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 05:14:42PM +0300, Yury Luneff wrote: > Of course, simple greeting's some king of stupidity, Yes. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 16:40 ` Kenneth Long 2005-11-30 17:55 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 17:55 ` Ronald G Minnich 1 sibling, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-30 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Kenneth Long wrote: >>>>Plan 9 future development plans and goals. >> >>that one is kind of nebulous. because for every person on this list it has a different meaning. I think. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-30 14:56 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 16:40 ` Kenneth Long @ 2005-12-01 11:16 ` grfgguvf 2005-12-01 11:35 ` Gorka guardiola ` (3 more replies) 1 sibling, 4 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: grfgguvf @ 2005-12-01 11:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS > >> Plan 9 development status, current projects. > >> Plan 9 future development plans and goals. > > that one is kind of nebulous. Am I the only one thinking everything Uriel says is kind of nebulous? > >> Tech transfer to other systems(p9p, v9fs, ...) > >> Inferno/Limbo > >> 9grid and other global infrastructure > >> Development process. > > user views. > > surviving with a plan 9 desktop in a linux/windows world Anyone successful at this at all? > > what's missing in plan 9 that users want? how do we get it? > > 64-bit platforms + xcpu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-01 11:16 ` grfgguvf @ 2005-12-01 11:35 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-12-01 11:38 ` Lucio De Re ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Gorka guardiola @ 2005-12-01 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 12/1/05, grfgguvf@gmail.com <grfgguvf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > surviving with a plan 9 desktop in a linux/windows world > > Anyone successful at this at all? > There will also be talk(s)/demo(s) of Plan B which is addressing this problem. -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-01 11:16 ` grfgguvf 2005-12-01 11:35 ` Gorka guardiola @ 2005-12-01 11:38 ` Lucio De Re 2005-12-01 12:47 ` Steve Simon 2005-12-01 15:36 ` Ronald G Minnich 3 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Lucio De Re @ 2005-12-01 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Am I the only one thinking everything Uriel says is kind of nebulous? > He's closer to Boyd (intentionally, I'm sure) than to Choates. He does put his code where his mouth is, even if others may prefer things to be different. It's hard to swallow that we may have a Linus in our midst, but he's running in his own direction while most of us spectators are horrified that he'd dare break away from the pack. It's hard to predict whether this is going to be good or bad, I'm willing, nay, keen, to give him the benefit of the doubt. >> surviving with a plan 9 desktop in a linux/windows world > > Anyone successful at this at all? > I keep trying, but I lean hard on my NetBSD infrastructure. Linux I manage to avoid completely, but Windows has infected far too many minds, including my girlfriend's, so I have to provide some support for it. I may as well enjoy some of its features :-( > + xcpu Sounds like I need to investigate this, but given the trouble I have with the simple problem of sending mail from a diskless Plan 9 workstation that is on the wrong side of a firewall from the CPU/file server, I'm not sure I want to discover how little I understand. Add to that a budget for only the most obsolete of equipment and xcpu does not seem terribly relevant. I'm happy to be proven wrong, however. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-01 11:16 ` grfgguvf 2005-12-01 11:35 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-12-01 11:38 ` Lucio De Re @ 2005-12-01 12:47 ` Steve Simon 2005-12-01 15:36 ` Ronald G Minnich 3 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Steve Simon @ 2005-12-01 12:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > > surviving with a plan 9 desktop in a linux/windows world > > Anyone successful at this at all? I think I am, I work in an almost exclusively Windows office though I use rx to run gcc and vncv to browse the net for sites abaco won't handle. Sure, an ldap client, ported gcc cross enviroment, and a native, fully compatible web browser would be nice but the alternative is WinXP. -Steve ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-01 11:16 ` grfgguvf ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2005-12-01 12:47 ` Steve Simon @ 2005-12-01 15:36 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 17:14 ` David Leimbach 3 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-12-01 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs grfgguvf@gmail.com wrote: > Anyone successful at this at all? I'm about to try -- I'm going to format my linux drive and just go plan 9 terminal, and try to see how bad it's going to be. > > >>what's missing in plan 9 that users want? how do we get it? >> >>64-bit platforms > > > + xcpu well, I like that! ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-01 15:36 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-12-02 17:14 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-02 17:24 ` Russ Cox ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2005-12-02 17:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 12/1/05, Ronald G Minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov> wrote: > grfgguvf@gmail.com wrote: > > > Anyone successful at this at all? > > I'm about to try -- I'm going to format my linux drive and just go plan > 9 terminal, and try to see how bad it's going to be. Hmm, a lot of what I do is remote testing... so if I can get an ssh session going in vt I can live in plan 9 for a few days at a time. To my left is a dual G5 PowerMac though for all other tasks... I have been trying increasingly to avoid swivelling left. I find the total lack of eye candy and fully functional web applications makes it easier for me to focus on my work :) There's a ton of crap software on every other machine I totally just don't need. But there are a few things that I think would make Plan 9 more enjoyable. * Abaco completion :) [or other web browser... though I really like abaco so far] * Virtual desktops... [rio sessions help but really don't quite get it for me]. * More hardware support. [I wish I had the time to finish that dang OHCI driver so I could hook up my USB Sound Sticks I have on my mac in Plan 9... I'm fairly well wed to the whole mac iTunes experience at this point though so this one is not so important.] I already do somewhat weird things like hook up my scanner to Windows XP and use Inferno to move files around to desktops that I send mail from for reporting expenses for travel. I might look into messing with Rio... that's the last thing I was experimenting with on Plan 9 a few months back. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:14 ` David Leimbach @ 2005-12-02 17:24 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-02 18:10 ` Skip Tavakkolian ` (2 more replies) 2005-12-02 17:36 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 17:45 ` Federico Benavento 2 siblings, 3 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2005-12-02 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > * Virtual desktops... [rio sessions help but really don't quite get it for me]. You should be able to use the interface that rio already provides to write a little program to do virtual desktops. Winwatch shows almost everything you need to worry about. To switch desktops just hide all the windows on the current desktop and unhide the ones on the new desktop. Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:24 ` Russ Cox @ 2005-12-02 18:10 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2005-12-02 18:19 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 2005-12-05 19:19 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-07 20:39 ` rog 2 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2005-12-02 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> * Virtual desktops... [rio sessions help but really don't quite get it for me]. > > You should be able to use the interface that rio > already provides to write a little program to do > virtual desktops. Winwatch shows almost everything > you need to worry about. To switch desktops just > hide all the windows on the current desktop and > unhide the ones on the new desktop. this reminds me... I want to add "hide" feature to winwatch that works by using the left mouse button click on a window's placeholder in winwatch. thoughts? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 18:10 ` Skip Tavakkolian @ 2005-12-02 18:19 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 2005-12-02 18:34 ` Skip Tavakkolian 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: "Nils O. Selåsdal" @ 2005-12-02 18:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >>> * Virtual desktops... [rio sessions help but really don't quite get it for me]. >> You should be able to use the interface that rio >> already provides to write a little program to do >> virtual desktops. Winwatch shows almost everything >> you need to worry about. To switch desktops just >> hide all the windows on the current desktop and >> unhide the ones on the new desktop. > > this reminds me... > > I want to add "hide" feature to winwatch that works by using the left > mouse button click on a window's placeholder in winwatch. thoughts? rmb hides, lmb brings to front . Or just lmb toggles hiding or showing. (just _a_ thought) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 18:19 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" @ 2005-12-02 18:34 ` Skip Tavakkolian 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2005-12-02 18:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Or just lmb toggles hiding or showing. looking at click(), I came to the same conclusion, but using the mouse&4 as now. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:24 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-02 18:10 ` Skip Tavakkolian @ 2005-12-05 19:19 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-09 16:00 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-07 20:39 ` rog 2 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2005-12-05 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 12/2/05, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote: > > * Virtual desktops... [rio sessions help but really don't quite get it for me]. > > You should be able to use the interface that rio > already provides to write a little program to do > virtual desktops. Winwatch shows almost everything > you need to worry about. To switch desktops just > hide all the windows on the current desktop and > unhide the ones on the new desktop. I guess I need to read up on winwatch. As usual Plan 9 already meets or exceeds expectations in an area where I thought I was going to be able to spend some time contributing :) Perhaps I can write a HOWTO virtual desktops after playing with this a bit and submit it for the wiki page. Dave > > Russ > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-05 19:19 ` David Leimbach @ 2005-12-09 16:00 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-09 16:05 ` Russ Cox 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2005-12-09 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 648 bytes --] > > I guess I need to read up on winwatch. winwatch doesn't live on my system... Where can I get it? I don't have the luxury of running a plan 9 box full time so it just lives on a partition that I boot when I'm feeling like playing around with it or when I can do enough of my work in it as my primary desktop which is rare these days. As usual Plan 9 already meets or exceeds expectations in an area where > I thought I was going to be able to spend some time contributing :) > > Perhaps I can write a HOWTO virtual desktops after playing with this a > bit and submit it for the wiki page. > > Dave > > > > Russ > > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 987 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-09 16:00 ` David Leimbach @ 2005-12-09 16:05 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-09 16:26 ` David Leimbach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2005-12-09 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > winwatch doesn't live on my system... Where can I get it? I don't have the > luxury of running a plan 9 box full time so it just lives on a partition > that I boot when I'm feeling like playing around with it or when I can do > enough of my work in it as my primary desktop which is rare these days. /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/winwatch.c Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-09 16:05 ` Russ Cox @ 2005-12-09 16:26 ` David Leimbach 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2005-12-09 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 459 bytes --] On 12/9/05, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote: > > > winwatch doesn't live on my system... Where can I get it? I don't have > the > > luxury of running a plan 9 box full time so it just lives on a partition > > that I boot when I'm feeling like playing around with it or when I can > do > > enough of my work in it as my primary desktop which is rare these days. > > /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/winwatch.c > > Russ Great, thanks again Russ! [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 778 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:24 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-02 18:10 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2005-12-05 19:19 ` David Leimbach @ 2005-12-07 20:39 ` rog 2 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: rog @ 2005-12-07 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > To switch desktops just > hide all the windows on the current desktop and > unhide the ones on the new desktop. one problem with this approach, at least with the current rio: there's no way, as far as i'm aware, of determining the current z-order of rio windows, so hiding and then unhiding a set of windows is likely to alter this. this could perhaps be fixed by getting rio to remember the z-order of hidden windows and readjusting when unhiding. (it'd be nice if it maintained this order when windows resized themselves too). after a little inspection of rio code, i can't see an obvious way of doing this (perhaps a call to topnwindows inside wctlmesg?). before spending any more time, does the approach seem reasonable? incidentally, i encountered a tiny little bug in rio on the way; try: for(i in /dev/wsys/*){echo bottom > $i/wctl} rio gets confused about the z-order of the windows. i think this is probably fixed by changing: w->topped = 0; in wbottomme() to w->topped = - (++ topped); although i haven't checked it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:14 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-02 17:24 ` Russ Cox @ 2005-12-02 17:36 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 17:45 ` Federico Benavento 2 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-12-02 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs David Leimbach wrote: > * Virtual desktops... [rio sessions help but really don't quite get it for me]. did that not make it into plan 9 rio? ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:14 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-02 17:24 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-02 17:36 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-12-02 17:45 ` Federico Benavento 2005-12-02 17:47 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 17:52 ` Russ Cox 2 siblings, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Federico Benavento @ 2005-12-02 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > * Abaco completion :) [or other web browser... though I really like > abaco so far] I've been very busy with final exams, but I'll continue abaco's development in about 2 weeks. people against abaco say that we don't need a web browser, because we have vnc, and of course I don't agree with this point of view. > > Anyone successful at this at all? I think I am too. one thing that bothers me is that Plan 9 doesn't interact very well with gmail. (i.e. incoming mails disappear after a few seconds) -- Federico G. Benavento ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:45 ` Federico Benavento @ 2005-12-02 17:47 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 18:23 ` jmk 2005-12-03 5:15 ` geoff 2005-12-02 17:52 ` Russ Cox 1 sibling, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-12-02 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Federico Benavento wrote: > people against abaco say that we don't need a web > browser, because we have vnc, That's a very odd argument, which if followed to its logical conclusion, I guess means we don't need anything. Reductio Ad Windows. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:47 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-12-02 18:23 ` jmk 2005-12-02 18:48 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-03 5:15 ` geoff 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: jmk @ 2005-12-02 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Fri Dec 2 12:52:43 EST 2005, rminnich@lanl.gov wrote: > Federico Benavento wrote: > > > people against abaco say that we don't need a web > > browser, because we have vnc, > > That's a very odd argument, which if followed to its logical conclusion, > I guess means we don't need anything. Reductio Ad Windows. > > ron Of course, you can go to far in the other direction, Aggregato Ad Linuxum. Moderation in all things. --jim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 18:23 ` jmk @ 2005-12-02 18:48 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 20:26 ` Wes Kussmaul 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-12-02 18:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > Moderation in all things. where's the fun in that? Nothing exceeds like excess. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 18:48 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-12-02 20:26 ` Wes Kussmaul 2005-12-02 20:35 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-02 20:49 ` [9fans] 9con in Madrid? Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2005-12-02 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs For a truly fresh perspective on Plan 9 direction, perhaps this person can be talked into attending: http://www.skyline2.co.uk/ -- Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something it’s the same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed it.” I don’t get the serpent and fruit part. Must be some Swiss mythology thing. He can be a bit obscure. P.K. Iggy _How I Like Fixed The Internet_ (Tales from the Great Infodepression of 2009 and the prosperity that followed) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 20:26 ` Wes Kussmaul @ 2005-12-02 20:35 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-02 20:46 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-02 20:48 ` p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) Axel Belinfante 2005-12-02 20:49 ` [9fans] 9con in Madrid? Charles Forsyth 1 sibling, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Paul Lalonde @ 2005-12-02 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Oh my eyes, my beautiful eyes. ouch. Offtopic: (on topic?) I've been playing with P9P, getting libdraw to open applications applications in the same window they were started it. I've got it working except for the dreaded X11-is-single- threaded race condition. Within a single proc it's easy to wrap the offending calls in a lock, but I'm looking at the case where different procs need to use the same window. It seems that all I need is a nice, cheap, inter-process lock. What's the most portable answer? I'm astounded that this works as well as it does, by the way, without taking a lock: only when a window manager likes to bombard events down upon all the processes do things get hairy - like running OS X's aqua-wm that wants to redraw the window contents during a resize. Rio has no such problem, and doesn't trigger the X11 sync problem as a result. Astoundingly usable. Paul On 2-Dec-05, at 12:26 PM, Wes Kussmaul wrote: > For a truly fresh perspective on Plan 9 direction, perhaps this > person can be talked into attending: > > http://www.skyline2.co.uk/ > > > -- > Wes Kussmaul > CIO > The Village Group > 738 Main Street > Waltham, MA 02451 > > 781-647-7178 > > > My uncle likes to say that the world’s biggest troubles started > when the serpent said, “Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch > of people collectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs > something it’s the same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed > it.” I don’t get the serpent and fruit part. Must be some Swiss > mythology thing. He can be a bit obscure. > > P.K. Iggy > _How I Like Fixed The Internet_ > (Tales from the Great Infodepression of > 2009 > and the prosperity that followed) > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 20:35 ` Paul Lalonde @ 2005-12-02 20:46 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-02 21:51 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-02 20:48 ` p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) Axel Belinfante 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2005-12-02 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Offtopic: (on topic?) I've been playing with P9P, getting libdraw to > open applications applications in the same window they were started > it. I've got it working except for the dreaded X11-is-single- > threaded race condition. Can you explain the race? > Within a single proc it's easy to wrap the > offending calls in a lock, but I'm looking at the case where > different procs need to use the same window. > It seems that all I > need is a nice, cheap, inter-process lock. What's the most portable > answer? Is it inter-process but still one program? What are the specific code pieces that need to be interlocked? The multi-process X apps in p9p each use their own display to avoid most of the races. Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 20:46 ` Russ Cox @ 2005-12-02 21:51 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-02 22:09 ` Axel Belinfante 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Paul Lalonde @ 2005-12-02 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 2-Dec-05, at 12:46 PM, Russ Cox wrote: >> I've got it working except for the dreaded X11-is-single- >> threaded race condition. > > Can you explain the race? Not well - it's an internal X11 thing. As I understand it the server gets hosed when receiving messages on separate connections referring to the same objects - it appears to track a message ID and gets confused when it receives more pieces of a transaction without having come to the end of a previous one. It typically shows up in multi- threaded apps, for which Xlib provides a locking mechanism. Any non- atomic transaction can fail that way, and Xsync() calls get confused. What winds up happening in my space is that I communicate the window- id through an environment variable, and libdraw grabs that ID if it exists. X copes with that fine unless someone else winds up making calls on that window at the same time; for example the 9term that was in the window resizing along with the acme that currently has the window. The better way is probably to use Xnest's code to make a virtual X server within a window and serve that through libdraw. But what an ugly, monstrous mass of code to deal with. But then all X apps would just work. But I'm happy with just my plan9/libdraw apps working :-) > Is it inter-process but still one program? What are the specific > code pieces that need to be interlocked? The multi-process > X apps in p9p each use their own display to avoid most of > the races. It is multi-program: acme "on top of" 9term, for example; any X call that takes a window id needs to be protected or else out of sequence errors can happen. Can you describe what you mean by "their own display"? Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 21:51 ` Paul Lalonde @ 2005-12-02 22:09 ` Axel Belinfante 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Axel Belinfante @ 2005-12-02 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Can you describe what you mean by "their own display"? multiple calls to XOpenDisplay() each for a different kind of events (mouse, keyboard, other) I seem to recall -- but Russ will surely correct/add. Axel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) 2005-12-02 20:35 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-02 20:46 ` Russ Cox @ 2005-12-02 20:48 ` Axel Belinfante 2005-12-03 8:29 ` Lucio De Re 2005-12-04 23:00 ` Axel Belinfante 1 sibling, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Axel Belinfante @ 2005-12-02 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Offtopic: (on topic?) I've been playing with P9P, getting libdraw to > open applications applications in the same window they were started it. Cool. I've been thinking a bit about such functionality a while ago but never got to work on it. I was thinking along a different angle though: my idea was to do it in rio, hoping I would somehow be able to figure out from which window a new app was started (probably there is env var WINDOWID or some such) and then hide the original thing, and put the new window in its place, hoping this would be general enough to work with 'any' X app. It must be the exposure to the real thing - I think I now really would love to have that functionality. Axel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) 2005-12-02 20:48 ` p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) Axel Belinfante @ 2005-12-03 8:29 ` Lucio De Re 2005-12-03 14:17 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-04 23:00 ` Axel Belinfante 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Lucio De Re @ 2005-12-03 8:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > (probably there is env var WINDOWID or some such) OK, let me make a fool of myself. Is this not $wsys? And whether it is or isn't, what is it in cpu(1) that clears it when _I_ use it? I discovered that the recommended "window -m ..." doesn't work as $wsys is empty in my cpu session. Is it something I said? It _does_ work if I restore wsys= after the cpu response. Then I occasionally lose the plumber (or upas/fs, I'm not entirely sure), but that's another story. ++L ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) 2005-12-03 8:29 ` Lucio De Re @ 2005-12-03 14:17 ` Russ Cox 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2005-12-03 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lucio De Re, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > OK, let me make a fool of myself. Is this not $wsys? Not on Unix. > And whether it is or isn't, what is it in cpu(1) that clears it when > _I_ use it? This is in the default profile established by /sys/lib/newuser: case cpu if (test -e /mnt/term/mnt/wsys) { # rio already running wsys = /mnt/term^`{cat /mnt/term/env/wsys} bind -a /mnt/term/mnt/wsys /dev echo -n $x^sysname > /dev/label } Perhaps you are not setting it to begin with. Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) 2005-12-02 20:48 ` p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) Axel Belinfante 2005-12-03 8:29 ` Lucio De Re @ 2005-12-04 23:00 ` Axel Belinfante 2005-12-04 23:13 ` Paul Lalonde 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Axel Belinfante @ 2005-12-04 23:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs To keep up the spirit of answering one's own emails: > I was thinking along a different angle though: > my idea was to do it in rio, hoping I would somehow be able > to figure out from which window a new app was started > (probably there is env var WINDOWID or some such) Thinking (just a bit) more... the env var is irrelevant since with above approach rio will never see it anyway - rio will only see that a new window appears. Rio does know which window is currently active, and thus it might just decide to replace (overlay) the 'body' of that one, if it is an 9term (it can recognize those using X properties, I'm pretty sure) Something like plan9's window would then be useful to explicitly create new windows (9terms or directly apps) (dunno if it's already there) That should also take care of windows that are programmatically created on startup. There might be (will be?) races though - it will take some time from the start of a program till its window is created (appears) which may or may not mess with above assumption that the active window is the one to overlay. oh well... so far it is nothing more than an idea anyway (AFAIK) Axel. > and then hide the original thing, and put the new > window in its place, hoping this would be general > enough to work with 'any' X app. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) 2005-12-04 23:00 ` Axel Belinfante @ 2005-12-04 23:13 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-04 23:19 ` Russ Cox 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Paul Lalonde @ 2005-12-04 23:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs My current hack is based on the window ID in the environment; it works reasonably well with one caveat: the calling application should not use the window while the callee has it. The X sync problem that happens is because the caller is called to resize, as well as the callee. As far as mouse and keyboard events, that seems fine, as I redirect them to the new (child) window to receive them first. I think there are really a limited number of cases to lock to stop the problem. What does plan9 do when in a rio window I call "acme &"? Does the acme still take over the window? What happens to the shell? One of the things that I have with my hack is a trivial "window" program that works like the plan9 one - very useful. A wloc based on xwininfo rounds it out. The last thing that it caused was more fussing with new namespace policies and service inheritance from a parent namespace. It's ok for my current purposes, but still a little clunky. Paul On 4-Dec-05, at 3:00 PM, Axel Belinfante wrote: > Thinking (just a bit) more... > the env var is irrelevant since with above > approach rio will never see it anyway - > rio will only see that a new window appears. > Rio does know which window is currently active, > and thus it might just decide to replace (overlay) > the 'body' of that one, if it is an 9term > (it can recognize those using X properties, I'm pretty sure) > > Something like plan9's window would then be useful > to explicitly create new windows (9terms or directly apps) > (dunno if it's already there) > That should also take care of windows that are > programmatically created on startup. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) 2005-12-04 23:13 ` Paul Lalonde @ 2005-12-04 23:19 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-04 23:27 ` Paul Lalonde 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2005-12-04 23:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > What does plan9 do when in a rio window I call "acme &"? You don't. > Does the acme still take over the window? Yes. > What happens to the shell? It keeps trying to read from /dev/cons too, so it and acme will take turns actually getting input. Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) 2005-12-04 23:19 ` Russ Cox @ 2005-12-04 23:27 ` Paul Lalonde 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Paul Lalonde @ 2005-12-04 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 4-Dec-05, at 3:19 PM, Russ Cox wrote: > It keeps trying to read from /dev/cons too, so it and acme > will take turns actually getting input. I assume this is messy and vaguely unpleasant. I won't worry about simulating that behaviour :-) Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 20:26 ` Wes Kussmaul 2005-12-02 20:35 ` Paul Lalonde @ 2005-12-02 20:49 ` Charles Forsyth 2005-12-02 23:24 ` Skip Tavakkolian 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2005-12-02 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > http://www.skyline2.co.uk/ an o/s in vb.net? i can't wait! it might give VxWorks a run for its money. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 20:49 ` [9fans] 9con in Madrid? Charles Forsyth @ 2005-12-02 23:24 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2005-12-02 23:26 ` Paul Lalonde 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2005-12-02 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >> http://www.skyline2.co.uk/ > > an o/s in vb.net? i can't wait! > it might give VxWorks a run for its money. they should add a spelling checker to their "HTML editor's" ! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 23:24 ` Skip Tavakkolian @ 2005-12-02 23:26 ` Paul Lalonde 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Paul Lalonde @ 2005-12-02 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs That's edittor's. Ouch. On 2-Dec-05, at 3:24 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >>> http://www.skyline2.co.uk/ >> >> an o/s in vb.net? i can't wait! >> it might give VxWorks a run for its money. > > they should add a spelling checker to their "HTML editor's" ! > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:47 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 18:23 ` jmk @ 2005-12-03 5:15 ` geoff 1 sibling, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: geoff @ 2005-12-03 5:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans I don't think people have been arguing that there's no point in a native web browser, just that writing a full-blown web browser is more work than writing an operating system used to be, and nobody has yet had the time and energy. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-12-02 17:45 ` Federico Benavento 2005-12-02 17:47 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-12-02 17:52 ` Russ Cox 1 sibling, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2005-12-02 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > one thing that bothers me is that Plan 9 doesn't interact very well > with gmail. (i.e. incoming mails disappear > after a few seconds) This is not Plan 9's (upas/fs's POP module's) fault, and the Gmail people don't care to fix it. My roommate has exactly the same problem trying to read Gmail via POP on his cell phone. Russ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 15:16 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 15:37 ` Uriel 2005-11-22 16:55 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-22 20:10 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2005-11-23 3:13 ` andrey mirtchovski 2005-11-22 20:21 ` Roman Shaposhnick 3 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Roman Shaposhnick @ 2005-11-22 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:16:23PM +0100, Gorka guardiola wrote: > So, for the 10th of March weekend, anyone against, anyone in favour? anyone > would come?. I would absolutely love it to be on 10th of March weekend. There's a 98% chance that I could come. Any other time is iffy. Thanks, Roman. P.S. The reason for me is simple -- visa constraints. I'm very likely to have a German VISA for a trip in May, but I'm not sure I'll get a Spanish one just to go to a 9con ;-) > > On 11/22/05, Gabriel Diaz <gabidiaz@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > A) I propose the 10th of March. > > > > > > The weekend from 10 to 12 is nice. March is a good month in Madrid as > > there is no summer weather. > > > > > > > > D) This should be discussed in the list and proposals can be made (i.e. I > > am not > > > doing it). > > > -- > > > > > > yes , you're ;-) > > > > Gabi > > > -- > - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 20:10 ` Roman Shaposhnick @ 2005-11-23 3:13 ` andrey mirtchovski 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2005-11-23 3:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > P.S. The reason for me is simple -- visa constraints. I'm very likely > to have a German VISA for a trip in May, but I'm not sure I'll get > a Spanish one just to go to a 9con ;-) you russians still blacklisted for Schengen countries? tsk, tsk, tsk! if you have a german visa you can go to spain without a problem -- that's the idea of the Schengen treaty. spain is a member. for more information visit: http://www.eurovisa.info/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 15:16 ` Gorka guardiola ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2005-11-22 20:10 ` Roman Shaposhnick @ 2005-11-22 20:21 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2005-11-22 20:23 ` andrey mirtchovski 3 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Roman Shaposhnick @ 2005-11-22 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 04:16:23PM +0100, Gorka guardiola wrote: > So, for the 10th of March weekend, anyone against, anyone in favour? anyone > would come?. Sorry. I misread it as being in May. March is, of course, much more iffy for me for the reasons I've cited. Thanks, Roman. > > On 11/22/05, Gabriel Diaz <gabidiaz@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > A) I propose the 10th of March. > > > > > > The weekend from 10 to 12 is nice. March is a good month in Madrid as > > there is no summer weather. > > > > > > > > D) This should be discussed in the list and proposals can be made (i.e. I > > am not > > > doing it). > > > -- > > > > > > yes , you're ;-) > > > > Gabi > > > -- > - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 20:21 ` Roman Shaposhnick @ 2005-11-22 20:23 ` andrey mirtchovski 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2005-11-22 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs i've got to stop posting from different addresses -- your message arrived while i was composing my install update and i used the first available mailer to reply to it. sorry for the confusion. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 14:09 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 15:12 ` Gabriel Diaz @ 2005-11-22 20:35 ` Anselm R. Garbe 2005-11-23 3:50 ` Roman Shaposhnick 1 sibling, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Anselm R. Garbe @ 2005-11-22 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 03:09:45PM +0100, Gorka guardiola wrote: > A) I propose the 10th of March. March is not the best date because of CLT'06[0] and FOSDEM'06[1] which would make it impossible for me and others to visit the 9con, because crossing Europe for three times in 4 weeks is pretty expensive taking time and money into account. Thus I'd prefer May 5 - May 7 or in late summer around the 9/11 weekend in 2006. [0] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2006/info/ (Mar 4 - Mar 5) [1] http://www.fosdem.org/ (Feb 25 - Feb 26) Regards, -- Anselm R. Garbe ><>< www.ebrag.de ><>< GPG key: 0D73F361 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 20:35 ` Anselm R. Garbe @ 2005-11-23 3:50 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2005-11-23 4:25 ` Ronald G Minnich 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Roman Shaposhnick @ 2005-11-23 3:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 09:35:23PM +0100, Anselm R. Garbe wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 03:09:45PM +0100, Gorka guardiola wrote: > > A) I propose the 10th of March. > > March is not the best date because of CLT'06[0] and FOSDEM'06[1] > which would make it impossible for me and others to visit the > 9con, because crossing Europe for three times in 4 weeks is > pretty expensive taking time and money into account. > > Thus I'd prefer May 5 - May 7 or in late summer around the 9/11 > weekend in 2006. Make it two votes for early May. Thanks, Roman. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-23 3:50 ` Roman Shaposhnick @ 2005-11-23 4:25 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-23 4:46 ` Jeff Sickel 2005-11-23 10:17 ` Gorka guardiola 0 siblings, 2 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-23 4:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs early may sounds good to me I guess. How long would this thing run for? how serious is it? Is it a bunch of guys around a keg or a larger and more serious meeting? ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-23 4:25 ` Ronald G Minnich @ 2005-11-23 4:46 ` Jeff Sickel 2005-11-23 10:17 ` Gorka guardiola 1 sibling, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Jeff Sickel @ 2005-11-23 4:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Nov 22, 2005, at 10:25 PM, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > early may sounds good to me I guess. Hrm... how about something that starts in Madrid, heads to Barcelona, gets on a sail boat heading for Dubrovnik? I need to be in or around Dubrovnik for a workshop in July or August and wouldn't mind tying things together so I would only need to make one trip over the giant pond. jas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-23 4:25 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-23 4:46 ` Jeff Sickel @ 2005-11-23 10:17 ` Gorka guardiola 1 sibling, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-23 10:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 11/23/05, Ronald G Minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov> wrote: > early may sounds good to me I guess. > > How long would this thing run for? how serious is it? Is it a bunch of > guys around a keg or a larger and more serious meeting? > Depends on how many people come and so. We have room for a small or large meeting... -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* [9fans] 9con in Madrid? @ 2005-11-21 18:21 Salva Peiró 2005-11-22 11:16 ` Gorka guardiola 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Salva Peiró @ 2005-11-21 18:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Hi 9fans, I would like to know if there's some 9con planned for this year in Madrid? -- gualteri (at) rootshell.be/~gualteri ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-21 18:21 Salva Peiró @ 2005-11-22 11:16 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 11:54 ` Uriel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 74+ messages in thread From: Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-22 11:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Uriel offered himself to organize it and I said I would help, but he hasnt done anything any further that I know of. It is easy for us to provide a place (classrooms/conference rooms) with internet access and good transport system with Madrid (though 40 min away). I am waiting for Uriel to move things around more... I asked about being able to pay traveling expenses for some people who give conferences, but the (heavy) paperwork has to be done one year in advance, so I havent inquired further. If we had something organized with a year margin with some people (Forsyth, Russ, Sape, Rob, Presotto...?) coming and giving conferences, I'll do the paperwork to get money and maybe even try to get some places for people to stay, but someone else has to speak with everyone, agree on a date, etc. On 11/21/05, Salva Peiró <saoret.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi 9fans, > I would like to know if there's some 9con planned for this year in Madrid? > > -- > gualteri (at) rootshell.be/~gualteri > -- - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid? 2005-11-22 11:16 ` Gorka guardiola @ 2005-11-22 11:54 ` Uriel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 74+ messages in thread From: Uriel @ 2005-11-22 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Last I spoke with nemo he said he was waiting for you to get back from the US to put things in motion and that the dates would be discussed in 9fans(May 2006 was suggested). See http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/thm_2005-09-25_Log/index.html for details. On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 12:16:12PM +0100, Gorka guardiola wrote: > Uriel offered himself to organize it and I said I would help, but he > hasnt done anything any further that I know of. It is easy for us to > provide a place (classrooms/conference rooms) with internet access and > good transport system with Madrid (though 40 min away). > > I am waiting for Uriel to move things around more... Uhu? what I'm supposed to move around? All I did is suggest a 9con in Madrid similar to the the two previous 9cons in the Netherlands and UK. And from what I understood from anavarro and nemo the univ could provide the location for free. So all that is really needed from that POV is a date that is convenient for (almost) everyone that is interested in going, for that I checked with you, nemo, Charles, and everyone that has been at recent THMs. You and nemo suggested to bring people and paid travel and so on, which is great, but really I don't know what you expect me to do about it. uriel > I asked about being able to > pay traveling expenses for some people who give conferences, but the > (heavy) paperwork has to be done one year in advance, so I havent > inquired further. If we had something organized with a year margin > with some people (Forsyth, Russ, Sape, Rob, Presotto...?) coming and > giving conferences, I'll do the paperwork to get money and maybe even > try to get some places for people to stay, but someone > else has to speak with everyone, agree on a date, etc. > > On 11/21/05, Salva Peiró <saoret.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi 9fans, > > I would like to know if there's some 9con planned for this year in Madrid? > > > > -- > > gualteri (at) rootshell.be/~gualteri > > > > > -- > - curiosity sKilled the cat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 74+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2005-12-09 16:26 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 74+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2005-11-22 12:25 [9fans] 9con in Madrid? Fco. J. Ballesteros 2005-11-22 14:09 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 15:12 ` Gabriel Diaz 2005-11-22 15:16 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 15:37 ` Uriel 2005-11-22 16:08 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 16:33 ` Gabriel Diaz 2005-11-22 16:59 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-22 16:55 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 1:05 ` Uriel 2005-11-30 11:15 ` Dave Lukes 2005-11-30 12:10 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-12-02 19:00 ` Tim Wiess 2005-11-30 14:56 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 16:40 ` Kenneth Long 2005-11-30 17:55 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 18:14 ` Uriel 2005-11-30 19:38 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 2005-11-30 19:50 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-30 19:55 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 2005-11-30 22:33 ` [9fans] A new user says hello! javacoffee.de 2005-12-01 10:30 ` Sergey Zhilkin 2005-12-02 14:14 ` Yury Luneff 2005-12-02 16:50 ` Sascha Retzki 2005-11-30 17:55 ` [9fans] 9con in Madrid? Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-01 11:16 ` grfgguvf 2005-12-01 11:35 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-12-01 11:38 ` Lucio De Re 2005-12-01 12:47 ` Steve Simon 2005-12-01 15:36 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 17:14 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-02 17:24 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-02 18:10 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2005-12-02 18:19 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal" 2005-12-02 18:34 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2005-12-05 19:19 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-09 16:00 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-09 16:05 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-09 16:26 ` David Leimbach 2005-12-07 20:39 ` rog 2005-12-02 17:36 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 17:45 ` Federico Benavento 2005-12-02 17:47 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 18:23 ` jmk 2005-12-02 18:48 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-12-02 20:26 ` Wes Kussmaul 2005-12-02 20:35 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-02 20:46 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-02 21:51 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-02 22:09 ` Axel Belinfante 2005-12-02 20:48 ` p9p open apps in same window (Re: [9fans] 9con in Madrid?) Axel Belinfante 2005-12-03 8:29 ` Lucio De Re 2005-12-03 14:17 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-04 23:00 ` Axel Belinfante 2005-12-04 23:13 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-04 23:19 ` Russ Cox 2005-12-04 23:27 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-02 20:49 ` [9fans] 9con in Madrid? Charles Forsyth 2005-12-02 23:24 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2005-12-02 23:26 ` Paul Lalonde 2005-12-03 5:15 ` geoff 2005-12-02 17:52 ` Russ Cox 2005-11-22 20:10 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2005-11-23 3:13 ` andrey mirtchovski 2005-11-22 20:21 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2005-11-22 20:23 ` andrey mirtchovski 2005-11-22 20:35 ` Anselm R. Garbe 2005-11-23 3:50 ` Roman Shaposhnick 2005-11-23 4:25 ` Ronald G Minnich 2005-11-23 4:46 ` Jeff Sickel 2005-11-23 10:17 ` Gorka guardiola -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below -- 2005-11-21 18:21 Salva Peiró 2005-11-22 11:16 ` Gorka guardiola 2005-11-22 11:54 ` Uriel
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