* Re: [9front] Debian port of Plan 9
2014-12-01 1:59 Debian port of Plan 9 Marty
@ 2014-12-01 2:00 ` Jacob Todd
2014-12-01 2:11 ` Daniel Camolês
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From: Jacob Todd @ 2014-12-01 2:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2014-12-01 1:59 Debian port of Plan 9 Marty
2014-12-01 2:00 ` [9front] " Jacob Todd
@ 2014-12-01 2:11 ` Daniel Camolês
2014-12-01 2:34 ` Kurt H Maier
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From: Daniel Camolês @ 2014-12-01 2:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
Can't wait for systemd on Plan9!
2014-11-30 23:59 GMT-02:00 Marty <martyb@ix.netcom.com>:
> Hi list,
>
> I'm still new to Plan 9. My current desktop is Debian, so I am looking
> for way to combine both interests.
>
> How feasible would it be to do a Debian port of Plan 9, like the Debian
> GNU/Hurd experimental port, and how suitable would 9front be as a
> starting point?
>
> If this happens, I see 9front as an upstream source for Debian, not a
> competing project. I'm looking at 9front because it looks like the most
> active Plan 9 project at the moment.
>
> A Debian port would entail:
>
> - multiple architecture support
> - porting the packaging system (dpkg/apt)
> - porting all the apps
> - adding the missing drivers
> - following Debian policy and release schedule
> - finding Debian developers who will sponsor and sustain the port
>
> I don't know anything about getting approval for such a project, but
> if it happens I think there will be a lot of interest. Debian seems like
> a natural fit because it is the only distro (that I know of) that
> supports alternate OSs and kernels, and Plan 9 would be the first to
> do both. The port could also be done unofficially, but it would have
> less visibility and support.
>
> There are many porting issues. A large number of Debian apps use dbus,
> so that might be a biggest obstacle to porting (this is a general
> problem in Debian ports). Could 9p be used instead as a dbus
> replacement? I don't know much about either protocol, but 9p seems like
> a more professionally engineered solution.
>
> Unix APIs, POSIX and FHS are also porting issues to contend with, but I
> am hoping the Plan 9 for User Space will alleviate some of those. For
> graphics apps, could ports be done from one of the frame buffer
> ports, like the Debian ARM port? I have more questions, but I'll stop
> there. Thanks,
>
> Marty
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2014-12-01 1:59 Debian port of Plan 9 Marty
2014-12-01 2:00 ` [9front] " Jacob Todd
2014-12-01 2:11 ` Daniel Camolês
@ 2014-12-01 2:34 ` Kurt H Maier
2014-12-01 2:46 ` Justin Ennen
2014-12-01 22:24 ` tony
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From: Kurt H Maier @ 2014-12-01 2:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
Quoting Marty <martyb@ix.netcom.com>:
> Hi list,
>
> I'm still new to Plan 9. My current desktop is Debian, so I am looking
> for way to combine both interests.
>
> How feasible would it be to do a Debian port of Plan 9, like the Debian
> GNU/Hurd experimental port, and how suitable would 9front be as a
> starting point?
>
> If this happens, I see 9front as an upstream source for Debian, not a
> competing project. I'm looking at 9front because it looks like the most
> active Plan 9 project at the moment.
>
> A Debian port would entail:
>
> - multiple architecture support
> - porting the packaging system (dpkg/apt)
> - porting all the apps
> - adding the missing drivers
> - following Debian policy and release schedule
> - finding Debian developers who will sponsor and sustain the port
>
> I don't know anything about getting approval for such a project, but
> if it happens I think there will be a lot of interest. Debian seems like
> a natural fit because it is the only distro (that I know of) that
> supports alternate OSs and kernels, and Plan 9 would be the first to
> do both. The port could also be done unofficially, but it would have
> less visibility and support.
>
> There are many porting issues. A large number of Debian apps use dbus,
> so that might be a biggest obstacle to porting (this is a general
> problem in Debian ports). Could 9p be used instead as a dbus
> replacement? I don't know much about either protocol, but 9p seems like
> a more professionally engineered solution.
>
> Unix APIs, POSIX and FHS are also porting issues to contend with, but I
> am hoping the Plan 9 for User Space will alleviate some of those. For
> graphics apps, could ports be done from one of the frame buffer
> ports, like the Debian ARM port? I have more questions, but I'll stop
> there. Thanks,
>
> Marty
get out
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* RE: [9front] Debian port of Plan 9
2014-12-01 1:59 Debian port of Plan 9 Marty
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2014-12-01 2:34 ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2014-12-01 2:46 ` Justin Ennen
2014-12-01 22:24 ` tony
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From: Justin Ennen @ 2014-12-01 2:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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From: "Marty" <martyb@ix.netcom.com>
Sent: 11/30/2014 6:02 PM
To: "9front@9front.org" <9front@9front.org>
Subject: [9front] Debian port of Plan 9
Hi list,
I'm still new to Plan 9. My current desktop is Debian, so I am looking
for way to combine both interests.
How feasible would it be to do a Debian port of Plan 9, like the Debian
GNU/Hurd experimental port, and how suitable would 9front be as a
starting point?
If this happens, I see 9front as an upstream source for Debian, not a
competing project. I'm looking at 9front because it looks like the most
active Plan 9 project at the moment.
A Debian port would entail:
- multiple architecture support
- porting the packaging system (dpkg/apt)
- porting all the apps
- adding the missing drivers
- following Debian policy and release schedule
- finding Debian developers who will sponsor and sustain the port
I don't know anything about getting approval for such a project, but
if it happens I think there will be a lot of interest. Debian seems like
a natural fit because it is the only distro (that I know of) that
supports alternate OSs and kernels, and Plan 9 would be the first to
do both. The port could also be done unofficially, but it would have
less visibility and support.
There are many porting issues. A large number of Debian apps use dbus,
so that might be a biggest obstacle to porting (this is a general
problem in Debian ports). Could 9p be used instead as a dbus
replacement? I don't know much about either protocol, but 9p seems like
a more professionally engineered solution.
Unix APIs, POSIX and FHS are also porting issues to contend with, but I
am hoping the Plan 9 for User Space will alleviate some of those. For
graphics apps, could ports be done from one of the frame buffer
ports, like the Debian ARM port? I have more questions, but I'll stop
there. Thanks,
Marty
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2014-12-01 1:59 Debian port of Plan 9 Marty
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2014-12-01 2:46 ` Justin Ennen
@ 2014-12-01 22:24 ` tony
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From: tony @ 2014-12-01 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
Ack... No.
> Hi list,
>
> I'm still new to Plan 9. My current desktop is Debian, so I am looking
> for way to combine both interests.
>
> How feasible would it be to do a Debian port of Plan 9, like the Debian
> GNU/Hurd experimental port, and how suitable would 9front be as a
> starting point?
>
> If this happens, I see 9front as an upstream source for Debian, not a
> competing project. I'm looking at 9front because it looks like the most
> active Plan 9 project at the moment.
>
> A Debian port would entail:
>
> - multiple architecture support
> - porting the packaging system (dpkg/apt)
> - porting all the apps
> - adding the missing drivers
> - following Debian policy and release schedule
> - finding Debian developers who will sponsor and sustain the port
>
> I don't know anything about getting approval for such a project, but
> if it happens I think there will be a lot of interest. Debian seems like
> a natural fit because it is the only distro (that I know of) that
> supports alternate OSs and kernels, and Plan 9 would be the first to
> do both. The port could also be done unofficially, but it would have
> less visibility and support.
>
> There are many porting issues. A large number of Debian apps use dbus,
> so that might be a biggest obstacle to porting (this is a general
> problem in Debian ports). Could 9p be used instead as a dbus
> replacement? I don't know much about either protocol, but 9p seems like
> a more professionally engineered solution.
>
> Unix APIs, POSIX and FHS are also porting issues to contend with, but I
> am hoping the Plan 9 for User Space will alleviate some of those. For
> graphics apps, could ports be done from one of the frame buffer
> ports, like the Debian ARM port? I have more questions, but I'll stop
> there. Thanks,
>
> Marty
>
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