Answered messages not market correctly

Answered messages not market correctly

[Pieter Wenk]

Hello to all:

Below the summary line I have in my ~/.gnus

gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R%z%I%[%d [%4L: %-25,25f%] %(%s%)\n"

Normally like this, answered articles should be marked with
"A"....

This is not happening....

Why ?

Many thanks for your help

Regards

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Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Karl Kleinpaste]

When you `G E' the group from *Group*, is there a `(reply ### ### ###)'
list present?  That's the source of `A' markings.

Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Pieter Wenk]

Hello Karl:

On lun, 31 jan 2000, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:

>When you `G E' the group from *Group*, is there a `(reply ### ### ###)'
>list present?  That's the source of `A' markings.

Thanks for the above. Below please find the entry:

("nntp+news.urbanet.ch:fr.soc.politique" 3
 ((1 . 13736))
 ((dormant 13017 13044 13047 13049 13051 13139 13166 13193 13199
	   (13420 . 13421)
	   13430 13442 13484 13550 13579 13629 13674)
  (reply 13167)
  (tick 13006 13011 13013
	(13018 . 13019)
	13023 13040 13043
	(13062 . 13063)
	(13073 . 13074)
	13077 13079 13083 13095 13117
	(13122 . 13123)
	13126 13128
	(13130 . 13132)
	(13134 . 13135)
	13141 13149
	(13152 . 13153)
	(13155 . 13162)
	(13164 . 13165)
	13167 13171
	(13173 . 13174)
	(13179 . 13180)
	13184 13188
	(13194 . 13195)
	13200 13204
	(13207 . 13208)
	13224 13229
	(13235 . 13238)
	(13240 . 13242)
	13244 13246
	(13253 . 13254)
	13258
	(13261 . 13262)
	(13265 . 13266)
	13276
	(13279 . 13280)
	(13284 . 13285)
	(13287 . 13289)
	13293 13296 13298 13300 13303
	(13306 . 13307)
	13311
	(13317 . 13318)
	(13323 . 13326)
	13328 13330 13332 13335
	(13337 . 13340)
	(13344 . 13347)
	(13349 . 13350)
	13357
	(13362 . 13363)
	13368 13370
	(13374 . 13375)
	(13377 . 13378)
	13380 13382 13387
	(13395 . 13396)
	13399 13402 13406 13410 13419 13425 13431 13436 13439 13451 13453 13464 13467 13470 13473 13477
	(13486 . 13487)
	(13502 . 13503)
	13517 13532 13542 13549 13555 13562
	(13564 . 13565)
	(13572 . 13575)
	13577 13581 13583 13586
	(13595 . 13598)
	(13600 . 13601)
	(13604 . 13605)
	(13611 . 13612)
	(13617 . 13618)
	13621
	(13623 . 13624)
	(13627 . 13628)
	(13630 . 13631)
	13636 13642 13652 13656 13661 13667 13672 13680
	(13691 . 13693)
	13695
	(13698 . 13699)
	13704 13707 13712 13714 13716
	(13718 . 13719)
	(13725 . 13726)))
 (nntp "news.urbanet.ch")
 ((timestamp 14485 16845)))

As you can see, I have no ### ### ### in reply. And the A marking
is still not working....

How to correct ? 

Many thanks for your help

Regards

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Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch> writes:
> Thanks for the above. Below please find the entry:

Uh.

> ("nntp+news.urbanet.ch:fr.soc.politique" 3
...
>   (reply 13167)
...
> As you can see, I have no ### ### ### in reply. And the A marking
> is still not working....

By "###", I meant sets of article numbers, not literal "###".

You have such a list, but it's got just one article noted as having
been the object of a reply, article 13167.  If you've actually replied
to more than this, then something has induced the destruction of the
rest of the reply list.

I can't explain that; I've never seen it happen, in any version of Gnus.

> How to correct ?

You can edit the reply list under `G E' yourself, if you want to
re-add those article numbers to which you know you've replied.  But I
know this is neither an obvious list nor an easy one to generate.

Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Pieter Wenk]

On mar, 01 fév 2000, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:

>Pieter Wenk <pwenk@urbanet.ch> writes:
>> Thanks for the above. Below please find the entry:
>
>Uh.
>
>> ("nntp+news.urbanet.ch:fr.soc.politique" 3
>...
>>   (reply 13167)
>...
>> As you can see, I have no ### ### ### in reply. And the A marking
>> is still not working....
>
>By "###", I meant sets of article numbers, not literal "###".
>
>You have such a list, but it's got just one article noted as having
>been the object of a reply, article 13167.  If you've actually replied
>to more than this, then something has induced the destruction of the
>rest of the reply list.

Yes. I have definitely replied by far more than only this single
answer.


>I can't explain that; I've never seen it happen, in any version of Gnus.
>
>> How to correct ?
>
>You can edit the reply list under `G E' yourself, if you want to
>re-add those article numbers to which you know you've replied.  But I
>know this is neither an obvious list nor an easy one to generate.

Karl, editing this list is not a workable way. I am subscribed to
approx. 30 NG.

With all these groups, gnus is behaving the same way ie. it does
not gererate replied messages. This is particularily anoying, as
my summary line entry in ~/.gnus is correct.

If somebody has an idea how to correct this, I would indeed appreciate
it.

Many thanks for your help

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Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "KK" == Karl Kleinpaste <karl@justresearch.com> writes:

KK> If you've actually replied to more than this, then something has
KK> induced the destruction of the rest of the reply list.

KK> I can't explain that; I've never seen it happen, in any version of
KK> Gnus.

This happens to me way too often (once a week at least; occasionally it
happens multiple times per day).  Sometimes the reply list is nuked,
sometimes it's the 'tick' list; the latter is especially painful because if
expiry kicks in then I can permanently lose mail.  What happens is that I
tick a message, leave the group and later come back to see that only that
most recently ticked message is still there.  I cannot correlate this with
any other activity or any specific configuration settings.

I have resorted to backing up .newsrc.eld a few times a day and manually
pasting the reply and tick lists back in when they disappear.

 - J<

Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[David S. Goldberg]

That's bizarre.  I've never seen this happen that regularly.  You're
not accidentally hitting M-c while point is on a group?  That's the
only way I've known to have it happen to me.
-- 
Dave Goldberg
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Phone: 781-271-3887
Email: dsg@mitre.org

Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "DSG" == David S Goldberg <dsg@mitre.org> writes:

DSG> That's bizarre.  I've never seen this happen that regularly.  You're
DSG> not accidentally hitting M-c while point is on a group?

I really doubt it, but the next time it happens I'll check the keystroke
log to make doubly sure.

 - J<

Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Pieter Wenk]

On mer, 02 fév 2000, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

>>>>>> "KK" == Karl Kleinpaste <karl@justresearch.com> writes:
>
>KK> If you've actually replied to more than this, then something has
>KK> induced the destruction of the rest of the reply list.
>
>KK> I can't explain that; I've never seen it happen, in any version of
>KK> Gnus.
>
>This happens to me way too often (once a week at least; occasionally it
>happens multiple times per day).  Sometimes the reply list is nuked,
>sometimes it's the 'tick' list; the latter is especially painful because if
>expiry kicks in then I can permanently lose mail.  What happens is that I
>tick a message, leave the group and later come back to see that only that
>most recently ticked message is still there.  I cannot correlate this with
>any other activity or any specific configuration settings.
>
>I have resorted to backing up .newsrc.eld a few times a day and manually
>pasting the reply and tick lists back in when they disappear.

A few days ago, I have sent a similar message to this group
exactly for the same subject. Now I start to understand, why
messages are just wanishing.

I thought gnus to be a reliable NR...but with such behaviors, 
it will become akward to be used.

Is this a bug ?

Regards

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Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Pieter Wenk]

On mer, 02 fév 2000, David S. Goldberg wrote:

>That's bizarre.  I've never seen this happen that regularly.  You're
>not accidentally hitting M-c while point is on a group?  That's the
>only way I've known to have it happen to me.


With regards to me. No I am not hitting accidently M-c when in the
group buffer...

Regards

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Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Toby Speight]

Jason> Jason L. Tibbitts, III <URL:mailto:tibbs@math.uh.edu>

0> In article <ufa4sbrvaw8.fsf@epithumia.math.uh.edu>, Jason wrote:

Jason> This happens to me way too often (once a week at least;
Jason> occasionally it happens multiple times per day).  Sometimes
Jason> the reply list is nuked, sometimes it's the 'tick' list; the
Jason> latter is especially painful because if expiry kicks in then
Jason> I can permanently lose mail.  What happens is that I tick a
Jason> message, leave the group and later come back to see that
Jason> only that most recently ticked message is still there.

I had a similar experience.  It turned out that I had a
`gnus-summary-exit-hook' which left a different buffer selected;
wrapping it in `save-excursion' fixed it.

Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "TS" == Toby Speight <Toby.Speight@streapadair.freeserve.co.uk> writes:

TS> I had a similar experience.  It turned out that I had a
TS> `gnus-summary-exit-hook' which left a different buffer selected;
TS> wrapping it in `save-excursion' fixed it.

The only vaguely hookish things I have set up are

(add-hook 'news-inews-hook 'ispell-message)
(remove-hook 'gnus-summary-prepare-exit-hook 'gnus-summary-expire-articles)

 - J<

Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Dan Christensen]

Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@math.uh.edu> writes:
> This happens to me way too often (once a week at least; occasionally it
> happens multiple times per day).  Sometimes the reply list is nuked,
> sometimes it's the 'tick' list; the latter is especially painful because if
> expiry kicks in then I can permanently lose mail.  What happens is that I
> tick a message, leave the group and later come back to see that only that
> most recently ticked message is still there.  I cannot correlate this with
> any other activity or any specific configuration settings.

Do you have any virtual groups?  I had similar problems when I had a
virtual group.  I reported in a message to this list problems with
expiry, but I think similar problems occurred with other message
attributes.

Dan

-- 
Dan Christensen
jdc@math.jhu.edu

Re: Answered messages not marked correctly

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "DC" == Dan Christensen <jdc@jhu.edu> writes:

DC> Do you have any virtual groups?

No; just nntp and nnml groups.  (The problem happens in both.)

And I've had another mail-losing issue.  I was about 1000 messages behind
in this list, reading a chunk at a time by answering with a smaller number
when prompted for the number of articles to read while entering the group.
Suddenly there were no unread messages even though there should have been
several hundred; Gnus just lost track of them.  I am certain that I did not
do a catchup.

Unfortunately since I cannot duplicate any of these problems at will I'm
resigned to deal with them.

 - J<