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From: clemens fischer <ino-e0ec871e@spotteswoode.de.eu.org>
Subject: Re: new spam functionality added
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:23:45 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ajj1tg$t56$1@main.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <oyd8z3r4nec.fsf@sam.cs.rice.edu>

                            Re: new spam functionality added

>   From: Scott A Crosby <scrosby@cs.rice.edu>
>   Date: 31 Jul 2002 16:07:23 -0500

>   Now, imagine there's a daemon that autoreplies to such 'please
>   reply to me' messages.. Well, just forge the spam to appear to come
>   from a legitimate user, and guess what, the bounces go to them, and
>   their client helpfully 'authenticates' the spam.. (The daemon can't
>   be configured to record every email sent and only autoreply to
>   autoreplies to emails the user actually sent. Many times people

well, i use a system where each of my (normal) emails is signed using a
cryptographic hash.  the resulting number is placed into a header of my
emails (don't look for it in this posting, it is processed by lynx).

then, when i get back the message for authentication, i recompute the value
and compare it to the value in the headers.  we use this system on the
"bernstein" lists at cr.yp.to, where a program called "qsecretary" verifies
every posting as an anti-spam measure.  the program for these automatic
verifications is called "pymsgauth" (a python script).

but what we're really looking for is a better internet-mail infrastructure,
right?  one where the sender is responsible for storing the messages, not
the receiver as it is with todays SMTP.  this infrastructure could be like
discussed in the IM2000 working group.  it would make spamming in general
next to impossible, at least too expensive to be even considered.

clemens





  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-16 14:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-31 19:24 Ted Zlatanov
2002-07-31 19:54 ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 20:07   ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-07-31 20:14   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 20:25     ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 20:34       ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 20:41         ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:03           ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:08             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:12             ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:38               ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 23:19                 ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 23:08               ` Frank Schmitt
2002-08-01 17:03                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 17:38                   ` Harry Putnam
2002-08-01 19:16                     ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 22:43                       ` Harry Putnam
2002-08-05 17:16                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-01  1:25               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01  1:33                 ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01  2:17                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01 19:20                     ` David Masterson
2002-08-01 20:00                       ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-02 23:37                     ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-02 23:45                       ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-03 10:23                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 13:47                         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-03 16:01                           ` hashcash (was Re: new spam functionality added) Simon Josefsson
2002-08-04  6:55                             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01 19:17                 ` new spam functionality added David Masterson
2002-08-01 19:59                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:07           ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 21:35             ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 21:58               ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:47             ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:54               ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 22:05                 ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 22:10                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 22:35               ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 23:10                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 16:56                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 23:30                 ` Alan Shutko
2002-08-01 19:25                   ` David Masterson
2002-08-01 19:33                     ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 22:06                       ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 22:13                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 22:18                           ` Jack Twilley
2002-08-01 22:23                             ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 22:40                               ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 23:29                                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-02  2:11                                   ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 19:34                     ` new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov
2002-08-01 19:39                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 21:38                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-23  1:50                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-08-23  2:42                           ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2002-08-23  3:10                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  0:10                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  2:31                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  2:52                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  3:13                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  3:27                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  3:44                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  4:12                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  4:48                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  5:08                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 19:03                                             ` spam.el now supports blackholes by default Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30 21:41                                               ` Matt Armstrong
2002-12-30 22:42                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30 23:38                                                   ` spam.el proposed group parameters Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-31  0:02                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-05 16:58                                                 ` spam.el now supports blackholes by default luis fernandes
2003-01-05 22:07                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2003-01-06  2:15                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-02  2:05             ` new spam functionality added Jason R. Mastaler
2002-08-02  3:43               ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02  4:29                 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2002-08-02  4:34                   ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02 16:17                     ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-02 21:46                       ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02 21:53                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 17:38                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-05 17:49                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 17:57                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-05 20:18                             ` David Masterson
2002-08-05 20:46                               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-05 21:50                                 ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-06  0:43                                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06  3:04                                 ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 14:27                                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06 17:13                                     ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 17:26                                       ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 18:08                                         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-07 12:02                                           ` Lloyd Zusman
2002-12-30  0:22                                             ` Hashcash (was: TMDA) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 18:33                                               ` Hashcash Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 19:25                                                 ` Hashcash Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 21:01                                                   ` Hashcash Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 21:05                                                     ` Hashcash Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-05 18:30                           ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-05 20:46                             ` David Masterson
2002-08-05 21:33                               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06  3:28                                 ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 16:02                                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08  9:21                                     ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 15:34                                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 19:57                                         ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 20:17                                           ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 21:30                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 21:35                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 22:27                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 17:26                                       ` Matt Armstrong
2002-08-08 20:23                                         ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-09 19:32                                           ` Matt Armstrong
2002-08-10  9:23                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-10 17:21                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-11  8:41                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-11 14:58                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-11  8:47                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-12 16:04                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-12 21:38                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-12 22:40                                                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-13  9:21                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-05 20:11                         ` David Masterson
2002-08-06  2:15                         ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-06 10:10                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-06 13:20                             ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-06 16:13                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-16 14:23             ` clemens fischer [this message]
2002-08-05 17:07         ` new spam functionality added Per Abrahamsen
2002-07-31 20:46       ` Jack Twilley
2002-07-31 21:01         ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:03         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 21:51           ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 21:08       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 22:05         ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 23:32           ` Alan Shutko
2002-08-01 17:00             ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 18:07           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-05 18:23             ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 23:41               ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-06 10:27                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-06 15:57                 ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 20:35     ` new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov

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