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From: David Masterson <dmaster@synopsys.com>
Subject: Re: TMDA (was: new spam functionality added)
Date: 05 Aug 2002 13:46:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uit2puj8m.fsf@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <02Aug5.143835edt.119445@gateway.intersystems.com>

>>>>> Stainless Steel Rat writes:

> * prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc)  on Mon, 05 Aug 2002
> | In doing so, they would give up their anonymity.

> Bah.  Spammers use throwaway accounts.  So what if they lose the
> anonymity of a single Hotmail address.  Nothing stops them from
> randomly generating hundreds of others.

Do Hotmail (or Yahoo) accounts allow autoconfirmers?

> | We'd be able to find them and report them (and blacklist them).

> Reporting doesn't much work anymore.  Too many ISPs simply ignore
> spam complaints.

Thus blacklisting.

> Blacklisting throwaway addresses is pointless when spammers can
> generate all the Hotmail and Yahoo addresses they need.

But they have to work harder to do it.  If spammers do as you say to
"get around" TMDA, the user simply blacklists them with the first spam
to get through.  So spam, if not eliminated, is cut down, but the work
of the spammer goes up.

Of course, you could also do things to prevent auto-confirmers from
working (like random confirmation messages and rotating confirm email
addresses), but then the regular people can't hide TMDA behind an
auto-confirmer either.

-- 
David Masterson                David DOT Masterson AT synopsys DOT com
Sr. R&D Engineer               Synopsys, Inc.
Software Engineering           Sunnyvale, CA





  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-05 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-31 19:24 new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov
2002-07-31 19:54 ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 20:07   ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-07-31 20:14   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 20:25     ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 20:34       ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 20:41         ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:03           ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:08             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:12             ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:38               ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 23:19                 ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 23:08               ` Frank Schmitt
2002-08-01 17:03                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 17:38                   ` Harry Putnam
2002-08-01 19:16                     ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 22:43                       ` Harry Putnam
2002-08-05 17:16                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-01  1:25               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01  1:33                 ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01  2:17                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01 19:20                     ` David Masterson
2002-08-01 20:00                       ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-02 23:37                     ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-02 23:45                       ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-03 10:23                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 13:47                         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-03 16:01                           ` hashcash (was Re: new spam functionality added) Simon Josefsson
2002-08-04  6:55                             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01 19:17                 ` new spam functionality added David Masterson
2002-08-01 19:59                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:07           ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 21:35             ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 21:58               ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:47             ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:54               ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 22:05                 ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 22:10                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 22:35               ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 23:10                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 16:56                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 23:30                 ` Alan Shutko
2002-08-01 19:25                   ` David Masterson
2002-08-01 19:33                     ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 22:06                       ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 22:13                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 22:18                           ` Jack Twilley
2002-08-01 22:23                             ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 22:40                               ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 23:29                                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-02  2:11                                   ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 19:34                     ` new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov
2002-08-01 19:39                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 21:38                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-23  1:50                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-08-23  2:42                           ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2002-08-23  3:10                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  0:10                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  2:31                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  2:52                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  3:13                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  3:27                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  3:44                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  4:12                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  4:48                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  5:08                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 19:03                                             ` spam.el now supports blackholes by default Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30 21:41                                               ` Matt Armstrong
2002-12-30 22:42                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30 23:38                                                   ` spam.el proposed group parameters Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-31  0:02                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-05 16:58                                                 ` spam.el now supports blackholes by default luis fernandes
2003-01-05 22:07                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2003-01-06  2:15                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-02  2:05             ` new spam functionality added Jason R. Mastaler
2002-08-02  3:43               ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02  4:29                 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2002-08-02  4:34                   ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02 16:17                     ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-02 21:46                       ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02 21:53                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 17:38                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-05 17:49                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 17:57                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-05 20:18                             ` David Masterson
2002-08-05 20:46                               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-05 21:50                                 ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-06  0:43                                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06  3:04                                 ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 14:27                                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06 17:13                                     ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 17:26                                       ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 18:08                                         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-07 12:02                                           ` Lloyd Zusman
2002-12-30  0:22                                             ` Hashcash (was: TMDA) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 18:33                                               ` Hashcash Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 19:25                                                 ` Hashcash Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 21:01                                                   ` Hashcash Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 21:05                                                     ` Hashcash Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-05 18:30                           ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-05 20:46                             ` David Masterson [this message]
2002-08-05 21:33                               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06  3:28                                 ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 16:02                                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08  9:21                                     ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 15:34                                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 19:57                                         ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 20:17                                           ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 21:30                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 21:35                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 22:27                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 17:26                                       ` Matt Armstrong
2002-08-08 20:23                                         ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-09 19:32                                           ` Matt Armstrong
2002-08-10  9:23                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-10 17:21                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-11  8:41                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-11 14:58                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-11  8:47                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-12 16:04                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-12 21:38                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-12 22:40                                                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-13  9:21                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-05 20:11                         ` David Masterson
2002-08-06  2:15                         ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-06 10:10                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-06 13:20                             ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-06 16:13                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-16 14:23             ` new spam functionality added clemens fischer
2002-08-05 17:07         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-07-31 20:46       ` Jack Twilley
2002-07-31 21:01         ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:03         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 21:51           ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 21:08       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 22:05         ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 23:32           ` Alan Shutko
2002-08-01 17:00             ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 18:07           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-05 18:23             ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 23:41               ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-06 10:27                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-06 15:57                 ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 20:35     ` new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov

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