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From: Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com>
Cc: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: new spam functionality added
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:07:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ilur8hdmb77.fsf@latte.josefsson.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ud6t3lfi9.fsf@synopsys.com> (David Masterson's message of "31 Jul 2002 15:05:50 -0700")

David Masterson <dmaster@synopsys.com> writes:

>>>>>> Simon Josefsson writes:
>
>> (Assuming TMDA contains the part which bounces mail, asking the sender
>> to answer with a cookie to deliver the mail.  That's annoying, and I
>> haven't understood how two people not on each other's whitelist could
>> ever communicate with each other if they both uses the scheme.
>
> Three ways that I can think of:
>
> 1. The first person sends the second person a "dated" email address
>    which allows the second person to respond within (say) 5 days
>    without a cookie request.

This will sort of work, but it requires a UI for the first person to
specify the time delay.  Sometimes I send mail I know wont be read for
or replied to for many months, and having it default to 3 months will
allow too much spam.  E.g., bug reports.  And if the message ends up
in public before this time, you will get spam to it and the system
fails.

> 2. The first person can generate a special email address for the
>    second person that will never ask for a cookie (if it's abused, the
>    address can be dropped).

This doesn't work if you don't know the second person.  E.g., on
mailing lists and UseNet.  It deteriorates into using temporary email
addresses all the time, which breaks address books etc.

> 3. The first person adds the second person to his whitelist before
>    sending the original message.

Again doesn't work on mailing lists.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-05 18:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-31 19:24 Ted Zlatanov
2002-07-31 19:54 ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 20:07   ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-07-31 20:14   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 20:25     ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 20:34       ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 20:41         ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:03           ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:08             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:12             ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:38               ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 23:19                 ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 23:08               ` Frank Schmitt
2002-08-01 17:03                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 17:38                   ` Harry Putnam
2002-08-01 19:16                     ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 22:43                       ` Harry Putnam
2002-08-05 17:16                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-01  1:25               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01  1:33                 ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01  2:17                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01 19:20                     ` David Masterson
2002-08-01 20:00                       ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-02 23:37                     ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-02 23:45                       ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-03 10:23                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 13:47                         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-03 16:01                           ` hashcash (was Re: new spam functionality added) Simon Josefsson
2002-08-04  6:55                             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01 19:17                 ` new spam functionality added David Masterson
2002-08-01 19:59                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:07           ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 21:35             ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 21:58               ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:47             ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:54               ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 22:05                 ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 22:10                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 22:35               ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 23:10                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 16:56                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 23:30                 ` Alan Shutko
2002-08-01 19:25                   ` David Masterson
2002-08-01 19:33                     ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 22:06                       ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 22:13                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 22:18                           ` Jack Twilley
2002-08-01 22:23                             ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 22:40                               ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 23:29                                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-02  2:11                                   ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 19:34                     ` new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov
2002-08-01 19:39                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 21:38                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-23  1:50                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-08-23  2:42                           ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2002-08-23  3:10                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  0:10                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  2:31                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  2:52                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  3:13                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  3:27                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  3:44                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  4:12                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  4:48                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  5:08                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 19:03                                             ` spam.el now supports blackholes by default Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30 21:41                                               ` Matt Armstrong
2002-12-30 22:42                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30 23:38                                                   ` spam.el proposed group parameters Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-31  0:02                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-05 16:58                                                 ` spam.el now supports blackholes by default luis fernandes
2003-01-05 22:07                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2003-01-06  2:15                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-02  2:05             ` new spam functionality added Jason R. Mastaler
2002-08-02  3:43               ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02  4:29                 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2002-08-02  4:34                   ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02 16:17                     ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-02 21:46                       ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02 21:53                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 17:38                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-05 17:49                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 17:57                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-05 20:18                             ` David Masterson
2002-08-05 20:46                               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-05 21:50                                 ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-06  0:43                                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06  3:04                                 ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 14:27                                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06 17:13                                     ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 17:26                                       ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 18:08                                         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-07 12:02                                           ` Lloyd Zusman
2002-12-30  0:22                                             ` Hashcash (was: TMDA) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 18:33                                               ` Hashcash Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 19:25                                                 ` Hashcash Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 21:01                                                   ` Hashcash Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 21:05                                                     ` Hashcash Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-05 18:30                           ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-05 20:46                             ` David Masterson
2002-08-05 21:33                               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06  3:28                                 ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 16:02                                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08  9:21                                     ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 15:34                                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 19:57                                         ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 20:17                                           ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 21:30                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 21:35                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 22:27                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 17:26                                       ` Matt Armstrong
2002-08-08 20:23                                         ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-09 19:32                                           ` Matt Armstrong
2002-08-10  9:23                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-10 17:21                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-11  8:41                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-11 14:58                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-11  8:47                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-12 16:04                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-12 21:38                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-12 22:40                                                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-13  9:21                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-05 20:11                         ` David Masterson
2002-08-06  2:15                         ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-06 10:10                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-06 13:20                             ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-06 16:13                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-16 14:23             ` new spam functionality added clemens fischer
2002-08-05 17:07         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-07-31 20:46       ` Jack Twilley
2002-07-31 21:01         ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:03         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 21:51           ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 21:08       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 22:05         ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 23:32           ` Alan Shutko
2002-08-01 17:00             ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 18:07           ` Simon Josefsson [this message]
2002-08-05 18:23             ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 23:41               ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-06 10:27                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-06 15:57                 ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 20:35     ` new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov

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