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From: David Masterson <dmaster@synopsys.com>
Subject: Re: TMDA (was: new spam functionality added)
Date: 05 Aug 2002 13:18:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <un0s1ukib.fsf@synopsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <iluy9blmbmk.fsf@latte.josefsson.org>

>>>>> Simon Josefsson writes:
> prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes:
>> Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> wrote:
>>> If a reliable autoconfirmer were written, some spammers would
>>> start using it.

>> In doing so, they would give up their anonymity.  We'd be able to
>> find them and report them (and blacklist them).

> Is this the problem?  In theory I can track down IP's on the net
> today, but tracking down spammers this way doesn't seem like a
> solution that prevents all spam in practice, as spammers uses hacked
> or incorrectly configured machines.

When the spammer assumes that no one can reply to his message, then
all these things can be spoofed in the email.  All you really know is
the hostname and IP address of the last relayer of the email which is
something that spammers rely upon to maintain their anonymity.  If the
spammer decides to put in an autoconfirmer to get around TMDA, then he
has to supply a good "return address" in his SPAM which now makes him
traceable.  Even if it's only traceable back to a compromised machine,
that machine can be blacklisted and the sysadmin informed to fix it.

-- 
David Masterson                David DOT Masterson AT synopsys DOT com
Sr. R&D Engineer               Synopsys, Inc.
Software Engineering           Sunnyvale, CA





  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-05 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-31 19:24 new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov
2002-07-31 19:54 ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 20:07   ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-07-31 20:14   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 20:25     ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 20:34       ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 20:41         ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:03           ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:08             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:12             ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:38               ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 23:19                 ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 23:08               ` Frank Schmitt
2002-08-01 17:03                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 17:38                   ` Harry Putnam
2002-08-01 19:16                     ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 22:43                       ` Harry Putnam
2002-08-05 17:16                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-01  1:25               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01  1:33                 ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01  2:17                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01 19:20                     ` David Masterson
2002-08-01 20:00                       ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-02 23:37                     ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-02 23:45                       ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-03 10:23                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-03 13:47                         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-03 16:01                           ` hashcash (was Re: new spam functionality added) Simon Josefsson
2002-08-04  6:55                             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-01 19:17                 ` new spam functionality added David Masterson
2002-08-01 19:59                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-07-31 21:07           ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 21:35             ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 21:58               ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:47             ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:54               ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 22:05                 ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 22:10                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 22:35               ` Scott A Crosby
2002-07-31 23:10                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 16:56                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 23:30                 ` Alan Shutko
2002-08-01 19:25                   ` David Masterson
2002-08-01 19:33                     ` Josh Huber
2002-08-01 22:06                       ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 22:13                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 22:18                           ` Jack Twilley
2002-08-01 22:23                             ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 22:40                               ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 23:29                                 ` Josh Huber
2002-08-02  2:11                                   ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-01 19:34                     ` new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov
2002-08-01 19:39                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-01 21:38                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-23  1:50                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-08-23  2:42                           ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2002-08-23  3:10                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  0:10                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  2:31                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  2:52                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  3:13                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  3:27                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  3:44                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  4:12                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30  4:48                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30  5:08                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 19:03                                             ` spam.el now supports blackholes by default Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30 21:41                                               ` Matt Armstrong
2002-12-30 22:42                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-30 23:38                                                   ` spam.el proposed group parameters Ted Zlatanov
2002-12-31  0:02                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-05 16:58                                                 ` spam.el now supports blackholes by default luis fernandes
2003-01-05 22:07                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2003-01-06  2:15                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-02  2:05             ` new spam functionality added Jason R. Mastaler
2002-08-02  3:43               ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02  4:29                 ` Jason R. Mastaler
2002-08-02  4:34                   ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02 16:17                     ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-02 21:46                       ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-02 21:53                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 17:38                       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-05 17:49                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 17:57                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-05 20:18                             ` David Masterson [this message]
2002-08-05 20:46                               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-05 21:50                                 ` Russ Allbery
2002-08-06  0:43                                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06  3:04                                 ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 14:27                                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06 17:13                                     ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 17:26                                       ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 18:08                                         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-07 12:02                                           ` Lloyd Zusman
2002-12-30  0:22                                             ` Hashcash (was: TMDA) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 18:33                                               ` Hashcash Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 19:25                                                 ` Hashcash Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 21:01                                                   ` Hashcash Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 21:05                                                     ` Hashcash Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-08-05 18:30                           ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-05 20:46                             ` David Masterson
2002-08-05 21:33                               ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-08-06  3:28                                 ` David Masterson
2002-08-06 16:02                                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08  9:21                                     ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 15:34                                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 19:57                                         ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 20:17                                           ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 21:30                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 21:35                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-08 22:27                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-08 17:26                                       ` Matt Armstrong
2002-08-08 20:23                                         ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-09 19:32                                           ` Matt Armstrong
2002-08-10  9:23                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-10 17:21                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-11  8:41                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-11 14:58                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-11  8:47                                             ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-12 16:04                                               ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-12 21:38                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-12 22:40                                                   ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-13  9:21                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2002-08-05 20:11                         ` David Masterson
2002-08-06  2:15                         ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-06 10:10                           ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-06 13:20                             ` Scott A Crosby
2002-08-06 16:13                               ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-16 14:23             ` new spam functionality added clemens fischer
2002-08-05 17:07         ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-07-31 20:46       ` Jack Twilley
2002-07-31 21:01         ` Josh Huber
2002-07-31 21:03         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 21:51           ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 21:08       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-07-31 22:05         ` David Masterson
2002-07-31 23:32           ` Alan Shutko
2002-08-01 17:00             ` Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 18:07           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-05 18:23             ` TMDA (was: new spam functionality added) Paul Jarc
2002-08-05 23:41               ` Simon Josefsson
2002-08-06 10:27                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-08-06 15:57                 ` Paul Jarc
2002-07-31 20:35     ` new spam functionality added Ted Zlatanov

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