* Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org @ 2002-04-29 3:05 Kirk Strauser 2002-04-29 7:58 ` Simon Josefsson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Kirk Strauser @ 2002-04-29 3:05 UTC (permalink / raw) I've just configured support for ORDB's service into my mailserver. I'm still getting a few errant SPAMs, though. Being a programmer and therefore inherently lazy, I'd like to automate this process. The easiest way to report a spammer's mailserver to ORDB for relay testing is to send an email to a particular address, the format of the body of which is: Relay: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Relay: yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy ... Relay: zzz.zzz.zzz.zzz where the variables are the IP addresses of candidate open relays. The most promising options for me at this time are to 1) re-write Gnus in Perl or C and then implement my little script in a language I'm actually good at, or 2) beg the genii on this list to help a poor would-be spam reporter by writing an elisp program to do the same thing. Anybody feel like saving me from re-writing Gnus? :) -- Kirk Strauser ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-29 3:05 Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org Kirk Strauser @ 2002-04-29 7:58 ` Simon Josefsson 2002-04-29 11:04 ` Oystein Viggen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-04-29 7:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding On 28 Apr 2002, Kirk Strauser wrote: > I've just configured support for ORDB's service into my mailserver. I'm > still getting a few errant SPAMs, though. Being a programmer and therefore > inherently lazy, I'd like to automate this process. > > The easiest way to report a spammer's mailserver to ORDB for relay testing > is to send an email to a particular address, the format of the body of which > is: > > Relay: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > Relay: yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy > ... > Relay: zzz.zzz.zzz.zzz > > where the variables are the IP addresses of candidate open relays. > > The most promising options for me at this time are to 1) re-write Gnus in > Perl or C and then implement my little script in a language I'm actually > good at, or 2) beg the genii on this list to help a poor would-be spam > reporter by writing an elisp program to do the same thing. > > Anybody feel like saving me from re-writing Gnus? :) Isn't ORDB available via DNS? Then you can use dns.el + spam.el or something. Sending mail for each incoming mail seems slow? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-29 7:58 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2002-04-29 11:04 ` Oystein Viggen 2002-04-29 11:09 ` Oystein Viggen 2002-04-29 15:43 ` Kirk Strauser 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Oystein Viggen @ 2002-04-29 11:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kirk Strauser, ding * [Simon Josefsson] > Isn't ORDB available via DNS? Then you can use dns.el + spam.el or > something. Sending mail for each incoming mail seems slow? I think the point of the exercise is is to submit new IP addresses to ordb for checking upon receiving a spam where none of the addresses in the Received headers. The actual matching of incoming messages would be done using the normal DNS trick. Oystein -- When in doubt: Recompile. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-29 11:04 ` Oystein Viggen @ 2002-04-29 11:09 ` Oystein Viggen 2002-04-29 15:43 ` Kirk Strauser 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Oystein Viggen @ 2002-04-29 11:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kirk Strauser, ding * [Oystein Viggen] > I think the point of the exercise is is to submit new IP addresses to > ordb for checking upon receiving a spam where none of the addresses in > the Received headers ...are listed in ordb. *goes to grab some coffee* > The actual matching of incoming messages would be done using the > normal DNS trick. Oystein -- When in doubt: Think again. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-29 11:04 ` Oystein Viggen 2002-04-29 11:09 ` Oystein Viggen @ 2002-04-29 15:43 ` Kirk Strauser 2002-04-29 16:05 ` Ted Zlatanov 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Kirk Strauser @ 2002-04-29 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw) At 2002-04-29T11:04:30Z, Oystein Viggen <oysteivi@tihlde.org> writes: > I think the point of the exercise is is to submit new IP addresses to ordb > for checking upon receiving a spam where none of the addresses in the > Received headers. The actual matching of incoming messages would be done > using the normal DNS trick. Yes, that's correct. The goal is to make it easy for users to submit data to ORDB (or other similar services) without getting out of Gnus, or even leaving the current article: 1) User sees a SPAM 2) User presses M-x spam-ordb 3) User goes on to read the rest of their mail -- Kirk Strauser ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-29 15:43 ` Kirk Strauser @ 2002-04-29 16:05 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-04-29 16:10 ` Kirk Strauser 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-04-29 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) On 29 Apr 2002, kirk@strauser.com wrote: > Yes, that's correct. The goal is to make it easy for users to > submit data to ORDB (or other similar services) without getting out > of Gnus, or even leaving the current article: > > 1) User sees a SPAM > 2) User presses M-x spam-ordb > 3) User goes on to read the rest of their mail I was working on spam.el, and I had similar ideas. I'm waiting for write access to the Gnus CVS repository, until then the spam work has been on the back burner. My plan was: 1) user defines spam reporting and catching methods (whitelist & blacklist/ordb/spamassassing/etc) 2) user defines a rule in the split rules that will classify spam as such using the spam catching methods. For instance, the ordb method would do a DNS query, while the blacklist method would look in the user's blacklist. 3) user marks spam with the "H" mark, which triggers the reporting methods requested by the user. For instance, the ordb method would send mail to ORDB, while the blacklist method would add the sender to the user's blacklist. Does that make sense? Any comments from the list? Thanks Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-29 16:05 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-04-29 16:10 ` Kirk Strauser 2002-04-29 16:26 ` Ted Zlatanov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Kirk Strauser @ 2002-04-29 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw) At 2002-04-29T16:05:12Z, Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> writes: > 2) user defines a rule in the split rules that will classify spam as > such using the spam catching methods. For instance, the ordb > method would do a DNS query, while the blacklist method would look > in the user's blacklist. I've already installed the dnsbl features on my mailserver, as have quite a few other people. I personally wouldn't be too interested in having Gnus perform the checks again, although I'm certain that others would love this. > 3) user marks spam with the "H" mark, which triggers the reporting > methods requested by the user. For instance, the ordb method would > send mail to ORDB, while the blacklist method would add the sender > to the user's blacklist. I particularly like this. Anything that makes widespread use of anti-spam tools trivially easy for end users can only be a good thing for all of us. > Does that make sense? Any comments from the list? Sounds good to me! -- Kirk Strauser ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-29 16:10 ` Kirk Strauser @ 2002-04-29 16:26 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-04-29 16:53 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-04-30 19:13 ` Paul Jarc 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-04-29 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw) On 29 Apr 2002, kirk@strauser.com wrote: > > At 2002-04-29T16:05:12Z, Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> > writes: > >> 2) user defines a rule in the split rules that will classify spam >> as such using the spam catching methods. For instance, the ordb >> method would do a DNS query, while the blacklist method would >> look in the user's blacklist. > > I've already installed the dnsbl features on my mailserver, as have > quite a few other people. I personally wouldn't be too interested > in having Gnus perform the checks again, although I'm certain that > others would love this. Right, so your checking method list wouldn't contain ordb, but your reporting method list would. > >> 3) user marks spam with the "H" mark, which triggers the reporting >> methods requested by the user. For instance, the ordb method >> would send mail to ORDB, while the blacklist method would add >> the sender to the user's blacklist. > > I particularly like this. Anything that makes widespread use of > anti-spam tools trivially easy for end users can only be a good > thing for all of us. My major concern (and the reason why I haven't been doing too much work on this) is that generally, in Gnus marks do not trigger actions directly. This would be a usability change that may not be welcome by the majority, even though it makes perfect sense to me personally. Thanks Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-29 16:26 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-04-29 16:53 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-04-30 19:13 ` Paul Jarc 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-04-29 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw) Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> writes: > My major concern (and the reason why I haven't been doing too much > work on this) is that generally, in Gnus marks do not trigger actions > directly. This would be a usability change that may not be welcome by > the majority, even though it makes perfect sense to me personally. There is the cache mark: applying it means that Gnus also enters the article into the cache. kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-29 16:26 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-04-29 16:53 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-04-30 19:13 ` Paul Jarc 2002-04-30 19:39 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-04-30 20:46 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2002-04-30 19:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> wrote: > My major concern (and the reason why I haven't been doing too much > work on this) is that generally, in Gnus marks do not trigger actions > directly. The 'expire mark does, sort of. But if you'd like to avoid that, a function could be added to gnus-summary-exit-hook to look for articles with the spam mark and report them. This isn't too great a one-time burden for the users, is it? paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 19:13 ` Paul Jarc @ 2002-04-30 19:39 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-04-30 19:53 ` Paul Jarc ` (2 more replies) 2002-04-30 20:46 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-04-30 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, prj@po.cwru.edu wrote: > Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> wrote: >> My major concern (and the reason why I haven't been doing too much >> work on this) is that generally, in Gnus marks do not trigger >> actions directly. > > The 'expire mark does, sort of. But if you'd like to avoid that, a > function could be added to gnus-summary-exit-hook to look for > articles with the spam mark and report them. This isn't too great a > one-time burden for the users, is it? On the contrary, as I said, I think it makes perfect sense :) My only concern was that other Gnus users would think it strange that marking an article suddenly takes a few seconds and actually performs an action. From the lack of an outcry, and from yours and Kai's comments, I guess everyone is OK with having the 'spam' mark trigger the spam actions. OK, for the plan of action. Note that this is very general at this point, I'm looking to define what's needed. Variable names are definitely subject to change - suggestions are welcome. Ditto for invocation methods. Let's define spam checking and reporting backends. Right now we have blacklists, whitelists, and spam-blackhole-servers: (defvar spam-blackhole-servers '("bl.spamcop.net" "relays.ordb.org" "dev.null.dk" "relays.visi.com" "rbl.maps.vix.com")) I'd like to break the blackhole servers into individual symbols. The users would say something like: (add-to-list spam-checking-backends 'spamcop) (add-to-list spam-checking-backends 'ordb) (add-to-list spam-checking-backends 'blacklist) (add-to-list spam-checking-backends 'whitelist) ; scores everything but whitelisted senders down 1000, for instance and then they would add the spam-check function to their nnml-split or nnimap-split. So we'll have spamcop, ordb, dev-null-dk, visi, vix. Or should this be a generic 'blackhole symbol which uses the list of blackhole servers? How likely is the list of blackhole servers to change or need modification by the user? Should the split function just score things down or actually move them to a "spam" forlder? The spam-reporting-backends would be triggered (as a hook) by marking an article as spam. The user would do: (add-to-list spam-reporting-backends 'blacklist) (add-to-list spam-reporting-backends 'ordb) I need lists of reporting and checking backends that don't follow the blackhole-servers conventions (using DNS for checks). See spam.el for what's already in place for blackhole checks. Thanks Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 19:39 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-04-30 19:53 ` Paul Jarc 2002-04-30 21:23 ` Oystein Viggen 2002-05-01 10:26 ` Frank Tegtmeyer 2002-05-01 12:11 ` Malcolm Purvis 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2002-04-30 19:53 UTC (permalink / raw) Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> wrote: > My only concern was that other Gnus users would think it strange > that marking an article suddenly takes a few seconds and actually > performs an action. From the lack of an outcry, and from yours and > Kai's comments, I guess everyone is OK with having the 'spam' mark > trigger the spam actions. I think it would be less surprising (and possibly more efficient) to take action during exit from the group, like with 'expire marks. But I don't care whether this is built-in or done by adding something to gnus-summary-exit-hook. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 19:53 ` Paul Jarc @ 2002-04-30 21:23 ` Oystein Viggen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Oystein Viggen @ 2002-04-30 21:23 UTC (permalink / raw) * [Paul Jarc] > I think it would be less surprising (and possibly more efficient) to > take action during exit from the group, like with 'expire marks. But > I don't care whether this is built-in or done by adding something to > gnus-summary-exit-hook. Actually, I have this in my .gnus: (remove-hook 'gnus-summary-prepare-exit-hook 'gnus-summary-expire-articles) I added this because with gnus-summary-expire-articles, exiting a large groupw would just take too damn long. Instead I run gnus-group-expire-all-groups regurlarly using the gnus-demon. This makes Gnus feel a lot snappier, and the gnus-demon only does this when I'm idling anyway. It would be nice if the spam stuff can be hacked in a similar way. I also think that pressing a key to call a function like gnus-summary-submit-spam-and-mark-as-expirable might negate the need for another mark altogether. Of course, I only say that because that's what I used for a similar hack a while back to forward mails to the now defunct orbz. (By the way, I found $ to be a very fitting key to bind this to.) Just my nkr 0.02. Oystein -- PHP: the wu-ftpd of www. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 19:39 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-04-30 19:53 ` Paul Jarc @ 2002-05-01 10:26 ` Frank Tegtmeyer 2002-05-01 12:11 ` Malcolm Purvis 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Frank Tegtmeyer @ 2002-05-01 10:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> writes: > Should the split function just score things down or actually move them > to a "spam" forlder? I would prefer a folder. Regards, Frank ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 19:39 ` Ted Zlatanov 2002-04-30 19:53 ` Paul Jarc 2002-05-01 10:26 ` Frank Tegtmeyer @ 2002-05-01 12:11 ` Malcolm Purvis 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Malcolm Purvis @ 2002-05-01 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> "Ted" == Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> writes: Ted> From the lack of an outcry, and from yours and Kai's comments, I guess Ted> everyone is OK with having the 'spam' mark trigger the spam actions. If you mean by this that the act of applying the mark triggers the spam actions, I must delurk to raise an objection. I think that the proper behavior for the spam mark would be something like the expire one. It should do nothing until the group is quit and then something like report-as-spam-and-expire is run on all marked articles before the expire process is run. In addition, any article that is split using the spam rule should also get this mark automatically. This combination should give the user a straightforward method for reporting spam as well as maximum flexibility for dealing with false positives and exceptional cases. Malcolm -- Malcolm Purvis <malcolmpurvis@optushome.com.au> The hidden, terrible cost of nuclear warfare is Really Bad Public Art. - Angus McIntyre, alt.peeves, 13/3/02. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 19:13 ` Paul Jarc 2002-04-30 19:39 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2002-04-30 20:46 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-04-30 22:11 ` Simon Josefsson 2002-04-30 22:18 ` Paul Jarc 1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-04-30 20:46 UTC (permalink / raw) prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> wrote: >> My major concern (and the reason why I haven't been doing too much >> work on this) is that generally, in Gnus marks do not trigger actions >> directly. > > The 'expire mark does, sort of. Hm? Nothing happens when I hit `E'. Only after quitting the group does something happen. Contrast with `B DEL' which takes effect before exiting the group... kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 20:46 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-04-30 22:11 ` Simon Josefsson 2002-05-01 12:44 ` Jorge Godoy 2002-04-30 22:18 ` Paul Jarc 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-04-30 22:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes: > prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > >> Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> wrote: >>> My major concern (and the reason why I haven't been doing too much >>> work on this) is that generally, in Gnus marks do not trigger actions >>> directly. >> >> The 'expire mark does, sort of. > > Hm? Nothing happens when I hit `E'. Only after quitting the group > does something happen. Contrast with `B DEL' which takes effect > before exiting the group... Unless it's in IMAP group... the \Deleted flag is set when you press B DEL but if you M-u the message, the \Deleted flag won't be around when the expunging is ran. But this is a undocumented feature, I guess. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 22:11 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2002-05-01 12:44 ` Jorge Godoy 2002-05-08 8:01 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Jorge Godoy @ 2002-05-01 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes: > Unless it's in IMAP group... the \Deleted flag is set when you press B > DEL but if you M-u the message, the \Deleted flag won't be around when > the expunging is ran. But this is a undocumented feature, I guess. It should become the default behaviour. Expunging message should only occur when exiting the group. It would allow some 'undelete' characteristic that might be interesting. - -- Godoy. <godoy@conectiva.com> Escritório de Projetos -- Conectiva S.A. Projects Office -- Conectiva Inc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8z+NCEzC+baSjBiURArPXAJ9PCFcoQK02TJIHJeq9/tzkN98JHwCdE+9r ooligLDpjp3YfWhjwa35lng= =mGH3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-05-01 12:44 ` Jorge Godoy @ 2002-05-08 8:01 ` Steinar Bang 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Steinar Bang @ 2002-05-08 8:01 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> Jorge Godoy <godoy@conectiva.com>: > Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes: >> Unless it's in IMAP group... the \Deleted flag is set when you press B >> DEL but if you M-u the message, the \Deleted flag won't be around when >> the expunging is ran. But this is a undocumented feature, I guess. > It should become the default behaviour. Expunging message should > only occur when exiting the group. It would allow some 'undelete' > characteristic that might be interesting. I agree. I like the current behaviour. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 20:46 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-04-30 22:11 ` Simon Josefsson @ 2002-04-30 22:18 ` Paul Jarc 2002-05-01 12:51 ` Kai Großjohann 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2002-04-30 22:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) wrote: > prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: >> Ted Zlatanov <teodor.zlatanov@divine.com> wrote: >>> generally, in Gnus marks do not trigger actions directly. >> >> The 'expire mark does, sort of. > > Hm? Nothing happens when I hit `E'. Only after quitting the group > does something happen. Hence "sort of". But I guess some other marks act this way too. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-04-30 22:18 ` Paul Jarc @ 2002-05-01 12:51 ` Kai Großjohann 2002-05-01 16:11 ` Paul Jarc 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-01 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw) prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: > Hence "sort of". But I guess some other marks act this way too. Cache takes effect immediately, I think. kai -- Silence is foo! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Wanted: Gnus plugin to submit spam to ordb.org 2002-05-01 12:51 ` Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-01 16:11 ` Paul Jarc 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Paul Jarc @ 2002-05-01 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) wrote: > prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: >> Hence "sort of". But I guess some other marks act this way too. > > Cache takes effect immediately, I think. Yes, though I think of that more as an action which happens to (unfortunately) use a mark to do its work. paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
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